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friday may 26, 2006
Matrix Art Project, brussels/online
 
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May 26 14:32:00 --- You are now talking on #okno
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May 26 14:35:34 -okno-034- hopla
May 26 14:35:38 -okno-034- on again
May 26 14:36:00 -chevil- well we changed of server
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May 26 14:36:31 -pueblo- ola
May 26 14:37:37 --- chevil has changed the topic to: qt stream : www.okno.be/live | ogg stream : www.hackitectura.net:8000/public.ogg
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May 26 14:43:56 -chevil- ola
May 26 14:43:56 -joke- alo
May 26 14:44:01 -chevil- thestream will start soon
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May 26 14:44:01 -joke- w:cheville
May 26 14:44:09 -chevil- the stream will start soon
May 26 14:44:16 -wikinibot- cheville
May 26 14:44:16 -chevil- we change network connections
May 26 14:44:17 -joke- what's the adress
May 26 14:44:17 -wikinibot- :: nada :: res de res ::
May 26 14:44:29 -chevil- read the topic, but it's not started
May 26 14:44:34 -chevil- what a consumer
May 26 14:44:36 -joke- you are in brussels man
May 26 14:44:45 -joke- pouaf relou man
May 26 14:44:46 -joke- !!
May 26 14:45:12 -chevil- i'll tell you when the stream is on
May 26 14:45:23 -chevil- but the address is written in the topic
May 26 14:45:26 -joke- yo I gonna eat pasta soon
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May 26 14:49:50 -kdag- w:spime
May 26 14:49:54 -wikinibot- spime
May 26 14:49:54 -wikinibot- ''For the George Kayatta spacetime theory, see Spime (theory).
May 26 14:50:12 -chevil- W:spime
May 26 14:50:16 -wikinibot- spime
May 26 14:50:17 -wikinibot- ''For the George Kayatta spacetime theory, see Spime (theory).
May 26 14:50:18 -wikinibot- 'Spime' is a neologism for a currently-theoretical object that can be tracked
May 26 14:50:18 -wikinibot- through space and time throughout the lifetime of the object. The name
May 26 14:50:19 -wikinibot- “spime” for this concept was coined by Bruce Sterling, in various speeches
May 26 14:50:19 -wikinibot- and writings on the subject.
May 26 14:50:20 -wikinibot- Sterling sees spimes as coming through the convergence of six emerging
May 26 14:50:22 -wikinibot- technologies, related to both the manufacturing process for consumer goods, and
May 26 14:50:22 -wikinibot- through identification and location technologies. These six facets of spimes
May 26 14:50:24 -wikinibot- are:
May 26 14:50:26 -wikinibot- #Small, inexpensive means of remotely and uniquely identifying objects over
May 26 14:50:26 -wikinibot- short ranges; in other words, radio-frequency identification. #A mechanism to
May 26 14:50:28 -wikinibot- precisely locate something on Earth, such as a global-positioning system. #A way
May 26 14:50:28 -wikinibot- to mine large amounts of data for things that match some given criteria, like
May 26 14:50:30 -wikinibot- internet search engines. #Tools to virtually construct nearly any kind of
May 26 14:50:30 -wikinibot- object; computer-aided design. #Ways to rapidly prototype virtual objects into
May 26 14:50:32 -wikinibot- real ones. Sophisticated, automated fabrication of a specification for an
May 26 14:50:32 -wikinibot- object, through “three-dimensional printers.”
May 26 14:50:34 -wikinibot- #“Cradle-to-cradle” life-spans for objects. Cheap, effective recycling.
May 26 14:50:36 -wikinibot- With all six of these, in theory one could track the entire existence of an
May 26 14:50:36 -wikinibot- object, from before it was made (its virtual representation), through its
May 26 14:50:38 -wikinibot- manufacture, its ownership history, its physical location, until its eventual
May 26 14:50:38 -wikinibot- obsolescence and breaking-down back into raw material to be used for new
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May 26 14:51:00 -kdag- w:RTM
May 26 14:51:02 -wikinibot- RTM
May 26 14:51:03 -wikinibot- 'RTM' may stand for:
May 26 14:51:04 -wikinibot- * 'Read the manual', as a variant of RTFM.
May 26 14:55:20 -chevil- W:RTFM
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May 26 14:56:59 --- You are now talking on #okno
May 26 14:56:59 --- Topic for #okno is qt stream : www.okno.be/live | ogg stream : www.hackitectura.net:8000/public.ogg
May 26 14:56:59 --- Topic for #okno set by chevil!~root@87.65.150.146 at Fri May 26 14:37:30 2006
May 26 14:57:00 -Sophie_apo- hello Alej
May 26 14:57:00 -wikinibot- advanced civilizations, and East Asia's dominant cultural influence, with an
May 26 14:57:00 -wikinibot- impact lasting to the present day.
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May 26 15:01:59 --- You are now talking on #okno
May 26 15:01:59 --- Topic for #okno is qt stream : www.okno.be/live | ogg stream : www.hackitectura.net:8000/public.ogg
May 26 15:01:59 --- Topic for #okno set by chevil!~root@87.65.150.146 at Fri May 26 14:37:30 2006
May 26 15:02:38 -chevil- the stream is not own now
May 26 15:02:46 -chevil- the stream is not on yet
May 26 15:02:59 -chevil- it's not started
May 26 15:03:49 -chevil- the ogg stream of course
May 26 15:03:59 -chevil- quicktime is running
May 26 15:04:23 --- naranja (www-data@customer-colocation-okno-1.all2all.org) has joined #okno
May 26 15:04:30 -pueblo- quicktime stream is working
May 26 15:04:38 --- rarita (www-data@customer-colocation-okno-1.all2all.org) has joined #okno
May 26 15:04:43 -pueblo- www.okno.be/live
May 26 15:05:37 -tsila- quicktime strem is runnning fine
May 26 15:06:29 --- nico (www-data@customer-colocation-okno-1.all2all.org) has joined #okno
May 26 15:07:09 -pueblo- ola nico
May 26 15:07:15 -nico- hola!
May 26 15:07:44 -pueblo- discussion will start in a few minutes
May 26 15:08:00 -nico- ok, great.
May 26 15:08:02 -chevil- ogg stream is on
May 26 15:08:03 -joke- give us the ogg stream adress
May 26 15:08:03 -joke- please
May 26 15:08:09 -pueblo- coming
May 26 15:08:11 -joke- what's the adress?
May 26 15:08:16 -joke- :-)))))))
May 26 15:08:18 -chevil- in the topic!
May 26 15:08:23 -joke- ouga
May 26 15:08:31 -joke- relou
May 26 15:08:36 -chevil- ogg stream : www.hackitectura.net:8000/public.ogg
May 26 15:08:44 -joke- ok man you so cool ;-)
May 26 15:08:54 -joke- I am consumer hep
May 26 15:08:56 -pueblo- we are beamed on the screen now
May 26 15:08:57 -chevil- what client do you have again?
May 26 15:09:02 -chevil- something exotic?
May 26 15:09:52 -pueblo- we are drawing the map of our social network, it will be evolving with our conversation
May 26 15:09:59 -chevil- here on the ogg stream , alessandro ludovico from neural.it
May 26 15:10:00 -pueblo- gollumlab.dyndns.org/piespy/images/okno/okno-current.png
May 26 15:10:07 -joke- it's very noisy and bad image...
May 26 15:10:11 -joke- got it
May 26 15:10:32 -chevil- but you like noise?
May 26 15:10:37 -joke- yesyes
May 26 15:10:37 -joke- me
May 26 15:10:40 -joke- but sophie
May 26 15:10:49 -joke- maybe she want to follow discussion...
May 26 15:10:51 -joke- ;)
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May 26 15:10:59 -joke- not enough noisy for me sorry
May 26 15:11:05 -chevil- well when they speak it's not so loud
May 26 15:11:05 -joke- now really beatty music
May 26 15:11:11 -joke- ouga boupboum
May 26 15:11:26 -pueblo- hello flusser
May 26 15:11:47 -joke- is it in okno place?
May 26 15:11:53 -joke- where is it?
May 26 15:11:54 -pueblo- yes
May 26 15:12:03 -pueblo- okno brussels
May 26 15:12:04 -joke- mmm
May 26 15:12:22 -pueblo- well actually is in front of okno
May 26 15:12:31 -pueblo- okno's next door
May 26 15:12:56 -joke- well when is it starting
May 26 15:12:57 -joke- ?
May 26 15:13:10 -chevil- tranquilo
May 26 15:13:19 -chevil- take another pill
May 26 15:13:27 -joke- I have to take my dessert...
May 26 15:13:31 -joke- a yogourt!
May 26 15:13:35 -joke- ;-)
May 26 15:13:44 -chevil- interesting
May 26 15:13:59 -pueblo- I see rarita is back, hello!
May 26 15:14:35 -rarita- hi
May 26 15:15:03 -rarita- i'm here, just the sound is not working
May 26 15:15:29 -pueblo- I would like to ask you all if you can introduce yourselves and tell us your location, it will be easy this way to introduce your questions
May 26 15:15:43 -pueblo- easier I mean
May 26 15:15:46 -tsila- Tsila - Amsterdam
May 26 15:16:21 -rarita- rarita_cluj_romania_www.altart.org
May 26 15:16:29 -pueblo- Tsila network and software artist, right?
May 26 15:16:36 -joke- joke www.noiser.org
May 26 15:16:38 -tsila- you could say that :-)
May 26 15:16:41 -joke- www.apo33.org
May 26 15:16:45 -nico- nico - paris - french clown army + working on social forums - www.brigadeclowns.org
May 26 15:16:53 -joke- nico you here!!!
May 26 15:16:57 -joke- halo
May 26 15:17:00 -pueblo- :)
May 26 15:17:06 -nico- joke is julien?
May 26 15:17:12 -joke- yo
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May 26 15:17:18 -nico- great :o)
May 26 15:17:20 -chevil- hey nico
May 26 15:17:28 -pueblo- Nat Muller introducing the debate now
May 26 15:17:30 -chevil- yves here, in okno, bxl
May 26 15:17:44 -nico- hello yves!
May 26 15:17:51 -chevil- hi!
May 26 15:17:55 -chevil- w:clown
May 26 15:18:04 -wikinibot- clown
May 26 15:18:05 -wikinibot- A 'clown' today is one of various types of comedic performers, on stage,
May 26 15:18:05 -wikinibot- television, in the circus and rodeo. Though not every clown is readily
May 26 15:18:06 -wikinibot- identifiable by appearance alone, clowns frequently appear in makeup and
May 26 15:18:06 -wikinibot- costume, as well as typically unusually large footwear, oversized or otherwise
May 26 15:18:07 -wikinibot- outlandish clothing, big or otherwise unusual nose, and enacting humorous
May 26 15:18:07 -wikinibot- sketches, usually in the interludes between major presentations. The clown's
May 26 15:18:08 -wikinibot- humor today is often visual and includes many elements of physical comedy or
May 26 15:18:08 -wikinibot- slapstick humor but not exclusively. For instance, Wavy Gravy's comedy is often
May 26 15:18:10 -wikinibot- cerebral, spiritual, or even political in nature. In many cultures, depending on
May 26 15:18:10 -wikinibot- the individual, a clown is considered scary or even frightening, although such
May 26 15:18:12 -wikinibot- is not the purpose of one.
May 26 15:18:17 -pueblo- rarita do u get sound now?
May 26 15:18:48 -rarita- yes, thx
May 26 15:18:52 -pueblo- k
May 26 15:19:50 -pueblo- w:collaboration
May 26 15:19:56 -wikinibot- collaboration
May 26 15:19:56 -wikinibot- 'Collaboration' (co+labor+ation) refers abstractly to all processes wherein
May 26 15:19:56 -wikinibot- people work together —applying both to the work of individuals as well as
May 26 15:19:57 -wikinibot- larger collectives and societies. As an intrinsic aspect of human society, the
May 26 15:19:57 -wikinibot- term is used in many varying contexts such as science, art, education, and
May 26 15:19:58 -wikinibot- business. In certain political contexts, the term "collaborator" may refer
May 26 15:19:58 -wikinibot- (pejoratively) to individuals who are claimed to have been working with an
May 26 15:19:59 -wikinibot- outside entity against their own societies.
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May 26 15:20:27 -pueblo- w:(issue network)
May 26 15:20:32 -wikinibot- issue network
May 26 15:20:33 -wikinibot- :: nada :: res de res ::
May 26 15:20:36 -pueblo- hello vacca
May 26 15:20:41 -vacca- test
May 26 15:20:50 -vacca- hi pueblo
May 26 15:21:06 -pueblo- can you introduce yourself and tell us your location?
May 26 15:21:23 -vacca- i am a cow, located at okno
May 26 15:21:32 -pueblo- thnks
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May 26 15:22:13 -pueblo- Paul Keller is going to start now www.okno.be/?id=812
May 26 15:22:26 -vacca- Paul Keller is great
May 26 15:22:52 -vacca- strange guy though
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May 26 15:22:53 -joke- creative commons netherland!!!!
May 26 15:22:54 -joke- cool
May 26 15:23:16 -chevil- i'm sorry you'll only see its back
May 26 15:23:31 -chevil- the camera is on the wrong side
May 26 15:23:36 -joke- yes
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May 26 15:24:16 -joke- pity he gonna present stuff in his back...
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May 26 15:24:38 -joke- mm
May 26 15:24:45 -joke- yo
May 26 15:25:02 -chevil- well you'll mainly see the projections anyway
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May 26 15:25:39 -pueblo- he will present his work with de waag and the exchange program with sarai www.sarai.net from New delhi
May 26 15:25:44 -joke- ok that 's nice
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May 26 15:27:22 -chevil- how big is your "network"?
May 26 15:27:32 -chevil- w:(social netwok)
May 26 15:27:35 -wikinibot- social netwok
May 26 15:27:35 -wikinibot- :: nada :: res de res ::
May 26 15:27:37 -chevil- w:(social network)
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May 26 15:27:45 -wikinibot- social network
May 26 15:27:46 -wikinibot- A 'social network' is a social structure made of nodes which are generally
May 26 15:27:46 -wikinibot- individuals or organizations. It indicates the ways in which they are connected
May 26 15:27:47 -wikinibot- through various social familiarities ranging from casual acquaintance to close
May 26 15:27:47 -wikinibot- familial bonds. The term was first coined in 1954 by J. A. Barnes (in: Class and
May 26 15:27:48 -wikinibot- Committees in a Norwegian Island Parish, "Human Relations"). The maximum size of
May 26 15:27:48 -wikinibot- social networks tends to be around 150 people and the average size around 124
May 26 15:27:49 -wikinibot- (Hill and Dunbar, 2002).
May 26 15:28:05 -vacc- you smart bot!
May 26 15:28:51 -chevil- "The maximum size of social networks tends to be around 150 people and the average size around 124!
May 26 15:29:05 -rarita- is quicktime working with you?
May 26 15:29:22 -pueblo- it is working for you tsila?
May 26 15:29:52 -tsila- yes is gppd
May 26 15:30:13 -tsila- (the wikibot is a brilliant idea - the network is an active participant in the debate...)
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May 26 15:31:16 -pueblo- rarita try the ogg stream if qt doesn't work for you www.hackitectura.net:8000/public.ogg you can open it with vlc player for example
May 26 15:31:40 -rarita- qt works now
May 26 15:32:39 -tsila- Paul - your use of "neutral" is problematic....
May 26 15:33:18 -pueblo- what kind of information is transported by the social network?
May 26 15:34:13 -pueblo- tsila can you expand your comment?
May 26 15:34:20 -tsila- maybe the question is around what kind of information are socilal netorks constructed
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May 26 15:34:30 -chevil- hello alejo
May 26 15:34:39 -tsila- referring to Google as neutral is problematic
May 26 15:34:49 -joke- is google neutral?
May 26 15:34:51 -tsila- moreover sonce google maybe constructing their own network
May 26 15:34:55 -chevil- google is god
May 26 15:34:59 -joke- mmm
May 26 15:35:06 -kdag- ola, unstable network here
May 26 15:35:12 -chevil- w:google
May 26 15:35:13 -joke- google is near a monopole
May 26 15:35:19 -wikinibot- google
May 26 15:35:20 -wikinibot- {{Infobox_Company | company_name = Google Inc. | company_logo = | company_type =
May 26 15:35:20 -wikinibot- Public () and () | foundation = Menlo Park, California (1998) | location =
May 26 15:35:21 -tsila- Hey Yves - was missing you ;-) ...
May 26 15:35:21 -wikinibot- Mountain View, California, USA | key_people = Eric E. Schmidt, CEO/Director-br
May 26 15:35:21 -wikinibot- /-Sergey Brin, Technology President-br /-Larry E. Page, Products President -br
May 26 15:35:22 -wikinibot- /-George Reyes, CFO | industry = Internet | products = See list of Google
May 26 15:35:22 -wikinibot- services and tools | revenue = $7.14 Billion USD (2006)| net_income =$1.69
May 26 15:35:23 -wikinibot- Billion USD (2005)| num_employees = 6,800 (2006) | homepage =
May 26 15:35:24 -wikinibot- [www.google.com www.google.com]| }} 'Google Inc.' ( and ) is an American
May 26 15:35:24 -wikinibot- multinational software corporation, first incorporated as a privately held
May 26 15:35:26 -wikinibot- corporation in September, 1998, that designs and manages the Internet's top
May 26 15:35:26 -wikinibot- rated search engine. With a market capitalization of US$117.16 billion as of
May 26 15:35:28 -wikinibot- early 2006, Google is the largest Internet search company in the world. The
May 26 15:35:28 -wikinibot- company employs approximately 6,800 employees and is based in Mountain View,
May 26 15:35:30 -wikinibot- California. Eric Schmidt, formerly chief executive officer of Novell, was named
May 26 15:35:30 -wikinibot- Google's CEO when co-founder Larry Page stepped down.
May 26 15:35:40 -joke- revenue : $7.14 Billion USD
May 26 15:35:41 -pueblo- kdag/ alejo can you introduce yourself and tell us your location?
May 26 15:36:15 -kdag- hia, im alejo im actually in the switz alps, but came here from the south..a place colombia
May 26 15:36:38 -tsila- maybe Paul would like to explain how the network technology influenced/facilitated the contruction of the Sarai/Waag networks ?
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May 26 15:36:56 -pueblo- and you work with open wireless networks and networks of collaboration right?
May 26 15:37:13 -kdag- sure, www.medellinwireless.net and www.altred.net
May 26 15:37:28 -pueblo- Ill keep your question Tsila, thanks kdag
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May 26 15:40:11 -xname- hi
May 26 15:40:18 -joke- yo
May 26 15:40:22 -pueblo- hello xname!
May 26 15:40:26 -xname- :D
May 26 15:40:44 -chevil- there is a catalog here with one of your work : newbie
May 26 15:40:58 -chevil- i'll get you a copy
May 26 15:41:05 -xname- oh thanks
May 26 15:41:08 -pueblo- xname can you introduce yourself and tell us where you are?
May 26 15:41:10 -vacc- hi name, u in adam/?
May 26 15:41:19 -xname- i'd like to see this catalogue ...
May 26 15:41:22 -chevil- in the chequepoint
May 26 15:41:24 -xname- yes i am in adam
May 26 15:41:32 -xname- no i am in montevideo
May 26 15:41:40 -xname- guy is there?
May 26 15:41:45 -pueblo- yes
May 26 15:41:55 -xname- my greetings
May 26 15:41:59 -xname- and hi annemie!
May 26 15:42:16 -chevil- ogg stream : www.hackitectura.net:8000/public.ogg
May 26 15:42:31 -pueblo- what's the url of chequepoint?
May 26 15:42:53 -chevil- squat.net/chequepoint/
May 26 15:43:01 -xname- yep
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May 26 15:43:08 -xname- oo
May 26 15:43:16 -xname- how is it going there?
May 26 15:43:44 -kdag- xname, what do you people CHANGE now in that place?
May 26 15:43:49 -pueblo- we just started with Paul Keller speaking of sarai New Delhi and the exchange program with de waag
May 26 15:44:11 -joke- talking about the platform & nodes
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May 26 15:44:16 -joke- creation of nodes...
May 26 15:44:22 -joke- and wireless network
May 26 15:44:33 -kdag- meshnetworks
May 26 15:44:38 -vacc- xname: it is dry inside
May 26 15:45:01 -chevil- w:mesh
May 26 15:45:03 -xname- hehe
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May 26 15:45:06 -wikinibot- mesh
May 26 15:45:07 -wikinibot- A 'mesh' is similar to fabric or a web in that it has many connected or weaved
May 26 15:45:08 -wikinibot- pieces. In clothing, a mesh is often defined as fabric that has a large number
May 26 15:45:08 -wikinibot- of closely-spaced holes, frequently used for modern sports jerseys.
May 26 15:45:18 -pueblo- w:node
May 26 15:45:18 -xname- have a look at 'hivenetworks'
May 26 15:45:21 -wikinibot- node
May 26 15:45:21 -wikinibot- 'Node' may mean:
May 26 15:45:22 -wikinibot- * Node (botany), the place on a plant stem where a leaf is attached
May 26 15:45:23 -wikinibot- * Node (physics), a spatial locus along a standing wave where the wave has
May 26 15:45:23 -wikinibot- minimal amplitude
May 26 15:45:24 -wikinibot- * Node (networking), a device connected to a network, such as a computer or
May 26 15:45:24 -wikinibot- router
May 26 15:45:25 -wikinibot- * Node (computer science), a basic unit used to build data structures, such as
May 26 15:45:26 -wikinibot- linked lists and tree data structures
May 26 15:45:26 -wikinibot- * Node (circuits), a region in an electrical circuit where there is no change in
May 26 15:45:28 -wikinibot- potential
May 26 15:45:28 -wikinibot- * Orbital node, one of two points where a body's orbit crosses the ecliptic,
May 26 15:45:30 -wikinibot- called the ascending node and descending node
May 26 15:45:30 -wikinibot- * Lunar node
May 26 15:45:32 -wikinibot- * Transport node
May 26 15:45:32 -wikinibot- * Node (computer gaming), a particular style of adventure game
May 26 15:45:34 -wikinibot- 'Node' may also be:
May 26 15:45:36 -wikinibot- * Artificial neuron, a basic unit in neural networks
May 26 15:45:36 -wikinibot- * Vertex, one of the components of a graph
May 26 15:45:38 -wikinibot- * A value that's used for function interpolation
May 26 15:45:47 -kdag- w:OLSR
May 26 15:45:49 -wikinibot- OLSR
May 26 15:45:50 -wikinibot- #redirect Optimized link state routing protocol
May 26 15:46:08 -joke- digital network as social network practices developpement
May 26 15:46:12 -xname- nodo was also one of my nicknames some years ago ;P
May 26 15:46:15 -xname- hehe
May 26 15:46:25 -xname- UBIQUITAS!
May 26 15:46:34 -xname- that is important
May 26 15:46:37 -chevil- like nodo50?
May 26 15:46:42 -joke- how creates social network with digital network?
May 26 15:46:44 -xname- just nodo
May 26 15:46:56 -chevil- yes but a node needs a number
May 26 15:47:00 -xname- i had an email like that
May 26 15:47:04 -xname- it depends
May 26 15:47:12 -xname- it is an italian word
May 26 15:47:27 -pueblo- please if you have questions for Paul we'll be able to formulate them soon
May 26 15:47:30 -joke- creates social digital communities
May 26 15:47:37 -xname- it is also an action you do when you do not want to forget something
May 26 15:47:56 -joke- mmm
May 26 15:48:16 -xname- the act to knot
May 26 15:48:29 -joke- whats the difference for him between network/nodes and community/collective
May 26 15:48:30 -xname- in the popular beliefs
May 26 15:48:30 -joke- ??
May 26 15:48:54 -pueblo- tnks joke I will also pose your questioon Tsila
May 26 15:49:14 -tsila- ok - if there is time....
May 26 15:49:19 -joke- how this concepts interact each others?
May 26 15:50:12 -tsila- an interestign questions : if we consider networks as an organic/self constructing entity
May 26 15:50:17 -xname- what are the similarities between network/nodes and community/collective
May 26 15:50:23 -xname- then...
May 26 15:50:36 -tsila- what would be the initial conditions required for it to start developing/spreading
May 26 15:50:37 -joke- similarities or difference
May 26 15:50:48 -joke- or links
May 26 15:51:17 -pueblo- tsila conditions to start the network?
May 26 15:51:21 -tsila- yes
May 26 15:51:35 -tsila- what are the conditions for it to start developing
May 26 15:51:46 -vacc- initial condition is passion
May 26 15:51:52 -xname- and what about the structure: horizontal vs vertical ...
May 26 15:51:56 -tsila- passion is not enough
May 26 15:52:17 -vacc- it is an initial condition,
May 26 15:52:44 -joke- thanks alej!
May 26 15:52:56 -tsila- passion is hte inital condition for every initiative
May 26 15:53:08 -xname- technological development was made possible because of war
May 26 15:53:16 -xname- and the money invested into that
May 26 15:53:23 -pueblo- joke this is for you
May 26 15:53:37 -vacc- maybe that is true
May 26 15:53:40 -rarita- can someone briefly te-tell the sorty of the brasilian networs-organisations, my sound was bad
May 26 15:53:46 -joke- I listen
May 26 15:54:53 -Sophie_apo- working in a net : maybe the concept of networks tends to reduce the analysis we can have on the social relations involved. We should try to differenciate the different levels and forms of social relations involved : collaborative, collective, etc... in which position the individual finds himself in relation with a group or a constellation of people. An interesting work to do could be specify the different levels of relation involved
May 26 15:54:53 -Sophie_apo- in what we call "network practices" ?
May 26 15:55:01 -pueblo- tsila for you
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May 26 15:55:07 -tsila- listening
May 26 15:55:26 -vacc- but a social network is not necessarily an 'initiative' when the infrastructure is available
May 26 15:55:42 -tsila- no osund
May 26 15:55:55 -joke- tsila : use VLC
May 26 15:56:10 -joke- www.videolan.org/vlc/
May 26 15:56:20 -vacc- it will boil down to passion
May 26 15:56:28 -chevil- yes use open source, more than saying it's cool
May 26 15:56:41 -tsila- what was the ogg stream address again ?
May 26 15:56:43 -chevil- using it is improving it
May 26 15:56:51 -chevil- ogg stream : www.hackitectura.net:8000/public.ogg
May 26 15:57:03 -vacc- initiatives token w.o. passion are widespread too
May 26 15:57:16 -nico- i think that it's reducing things to consider networks regarding the issue of information and its circulation. of coursse, tthere is this issue, but i agree with sophie. netwoorks, if it means anything deals with ways of making things/being together, etc
May 26 15:57:47 -pueblo- Sophie, Nico are these questions to Paul?
May 26 15:57:57 -joke- you could say yes
May 26 15:57:59 -joke- !!
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May 26 15:58:01 -nico- that's just a reaction. well i have no sound now
May 26 15:58:12 -tsila- no sound on vlc either
May 26 15:58:14 -nico- but a reaction to what he said, mainly tecnical things whereas it's not
May 26 15:58:19 -xname- hey
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May 26 15:58:38 -joke- I have sound via mplayer
May 26 15:58:40 -xname- can anyone give my greetings to alessandro ludovico please?
May 26 15:58:46 -xname- :
May 26 15:58:46 -xname- )
May 26 15:58:55 -chevil- sound is monitored here and seems ok
May 26 15:59:07 -chevil- xname, yes ok
May 26 15:59:22 -kdag- medellinwireless.net and altred.net where never closed au contriare, they did began with linux freaks wanting to experminet with the technology, now this freaks got interested in streaming local contents and interact with similar communities elsewhere. the little group that began with it almost 3 years ago is now taking the shape of a national movement..not a strong one but at leatst movement
May 26 15:59:48 -chevil- streaming every saturday )
May 26 15:59:57 -kdag- yeap
May 26 16:00:04 -kdag- web.tv days
May 26 16:00:09 -tsila- ok my computer sound card is fucking up
May 26 16:00:24 -xname- at least someone is fucking ...
May 26 16:00:27 -Sophie_apo- something interesting in the new technological framework is the relation to the "leaving" : first in the fact that the boundaries between artificial and organic tends to disappear, and secondly because "life", like for example cellular processes, become metaphors to think in another way then under the network (technical) dimension, the social relations. See for example Guattari
May 26 16:00:42 -pueblo- he is watching the screen
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May 26 16:03:09 -Tsila- hi
May 26 16:03:43 -joke- do you have adress of mural?
May 26 16:03:50 -pueblo- neural.it
May 26 16:03:52 -joke- thanks
May 26 16:04:28 -pueblo- Alessandro Ludovico will start now www.okno.be/?id=779
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May 26 16:05:42 -pueblo- hello junior_isjtar can you introduce yourself and tell us your location?
May 26 16:05:46 -kdag- web2.0 was this morning our topic here with bruce sterling..
May 26 16:05:56 -pueblo- aha!
May 26 16:06:13 -kdag- buzz word, coined by tim Oreilly
May 26 16:06:19 -junior_isjtar- well, i'm in beijing
May 26 16:06:27 -junior_isjtar- trying to get streaming to work
May 26 16:06:34 -junior_isjtar- for the performance later on with
May 26 16:06:38 -chevil- use pd
May 26 16:06:41 -junior_isjtar- guy and akihiro
May 26 16:06:42 -vacc- node, the new identity of the user, Allesandro Ludovico
May 26 16:06:51 -xname- ole'
May 26 16:07:05 -junior_isjtar- max
May 26 16:07:05 -pueblo- tnx vacc
May 26 16:07:13 -joke- what's the perf?
May 26 16:07:15 -joke- after
May 26 16:07:21 -chevil- yes that's why i tell you to use pd
May 26 16:07:22 -joke- network perf?
May 26 16:07:28 -pueblo- yes
May 26 16:07:33 -junior_isjtar- why
May 26 16:07:40 -joke- could we particpated?
May 26 16:07:46 -chevil- cause www.netpd.org
May 26 16:08:10 -pueblo- joke I will check but here www.okno.be/?id=695 more info
May 26 16:08:28 -junior_isjtar- jitter-msp interaction is the core of the thing
May 26 16:08:29 -joke- thanks
May 26 16:08:39 -junior_isjtar- don't feel like jacking my way through
May 26 16:08:49 -junior_isjtar- maybe have to that anyway...
May 26 16:08:52 -chevil- miller puckette doen't think so
May 26 16:09:06 -junior_isjtar- namedropping are we ; )
May 26 16:09:12 -xname- i don't think it is time to become religious
May 26 16:09:26 -chevil- you know jesus loves you )
May 26 16:09:31 -joke- we should be P2P
May 26 16:09:45 -joke- how human could use this model for their life?
May 26 16:09:50 -junior_isjtar- but can He stream?
May 26 16:09:50 -joke- the P2P model?
May 26 16:10:22 -joke- how we could use the P2P model to our communty/relationship in concrete reality
May 26 16:10:24 -joke- ??
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May 26 16:10:50 -joke- youthtube :
May 26 16:11:01 -kdag- del.icio.us
May 26 16:11:04 -joke- every material is own by youthtube!!
May 26 16:11:08 -kdag- flikr
May 26 16:11:10 -kdag- etc
May 26 16:11:14 -kdag- bussiness models
May 26 16:11:20 -joke- when you put a video there
May 26 16:11:25 -joke- it's not yours anymore
May 26 16:11:33 -xname- is telepathy p2p?
May 26 16:11:35 -joke- it's youthtube proprietary
May 26 16:11:51 -joke- mmm telephaty... a dream?
May 26 16:11:53 -Tsila- maybe telepathy is distributed computing :-)
May 26 16:12:05 -xname- mm
May 26 16:12:06 -kdag- xname, did you heard what i just said?
May 26 16:12:09 -pueblo- is part of holographic reality
May 26 16:12:13 -joke- bad cut in the stream...
May 26 16:12:30 -pueblo- all information is in evry point
May 26 16:12:35 -chevil- yes it cuts sometimes
May 26 16:12:37 -junior_isjtar- is there an audio only stream?
May 26 16:12:45 -chevil- no
May 26 16:12:45 -joke- no audio anymore!!!
May 26 16:12:52 -chevil- wait
May 26 16:12:58 -joke- ehy we follow the conf man!!!!
May 26 16:13:00 -chevil- you know you have a bufefr?
May 26 16:13:08 -joke- ;-))))))))
May 26 16:13:09 -Tsila- all informationis at every point but not always available
May 26 16:13:09 -joke- -cache-min 1
May 26 16:13:16 -pueblo- tsila ;)
May 26 16:13:18 -kdag- uhmm so telephaty is not working today :( ...
May 26 16:13:18 -joke- 1 as buffer man
May 26 16:13:26 -chevil- it's too much
May 26 16:13:45 -junior_isjtar- say chevil, who are you?
May 26 16:13:49 -joke- ok man
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May 26 16:14:11 -chevil- you have it now?
May 26 16:14:15 -joke- yo
May 26 16:14:51 -joke- do he know ourmedia.org
May 26 16:14:52 -joke- ??
May 26 16:14:57 -pueblo- w:folksonomy
May 26 16:15:05 -wikinibot- folksonomy
May 26 16:15:05 -wikinibot- A "folksonomy" is a collaboratively generated, open-ended labeling system that
May 26 16:15:05 -wikinibot- enables Internet users to categorize content such as Web pages, online
May 26 16:15:05 -wikinibot- photographs, and Web links. The freely chosen labels – called tags – help to
May 26 16:15:05 -wikinibot- improve search engine's effectiveness because content is categorized using a
May 26 16:15:05 -wikinibot- familiar, accessible, and shared vocabulary. The labeling process is called
May 26 16:15:05 -wikinibot- tagging. Two widely cited examples of websites using folksonomic tagging are
May 26 16:15:06 -wikinibot- [www.flickr.com/ Flickr] and [del.icio.us/ del.icio.us].
May 26 16:15:10 -Tsila- karlos katastrofsky is using delicious as a platform for showcsing his new works
May 26 16:15:50 -junior_isjtar- is the ogg stream running with audio, if so, link?
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May 26 16:15:56 -joke- yes
May 26 16:15:59 -joke- junior
May 26 16:16:06 -kdag- have to go now, :( cheers! all!! tx chevil, pueblo..nice weather!
May 26 16:16:18 -pueblo- www.hackitectura.net:8000/public.ogg
May 26 16:16:24 -junior_isjtar- thanks
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May 26 16:16:35 -xname- sorry
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May 26 16:16:39 -xname- i was interrupted
May 26 16:16:47 -pueblo- hi lena can you introduce yourself and tell us your location?
May 26 16:16:59 -xname- i think telepathy is more similar to wireless
May 26 16:17:08 -xname- some antennas are better receiver
May 26 16:17:08 -lena- ogg users: do you receive sounds?
May 26 16:17:14 -joke- The online marketplace for people-to-people lending
May 26 16:17:15 -xname- very important is the connector
May 26 16:17:21 -pueblo- hi zzk can you introduce yourself and tell us your location?
May 26 16:17:25 -joke- do you have 100 euros for me?
May 26 16:17:31 -joke- I am pooor
May 26 16:17:45 -joke- a poor of rich france country
May 26 16:17:49 -xname- if the connector is broken, instead of communication you will have a resistor
May 26 16:17:49 -joke- :-)))
May 26 16:18:04 -lena- hi alejandra yves, it's peter, sorry for lena pseudoniem
May 26 16:18:09 -xname- greetings to alessandro also from jaromil
May 26 16:18:18 -joke- Peter from constant?
May 26 16:18:30 -lena- hmmm yes, location: brussssls
May 26 16:18:42 -junior_isjtar- ogg has sound
May 26 16:18:45 -joke- yo here is -julien apo
May 26 16:18:58 -lena- he julien comment ca va ?
May 26 16:19:07 -joke- va bene
May 26 16:19:13 -joke- do you follow this conf
May 26 16:19:14 -joke- ?
May 26 16:19:23 -Tsila- hey peter!
May 26 16:19:26 -lena- il ya du son a nantes
May 26 16:19:29 -joke- yes
May 26 16:19:31 -Tsila- can you put also the real lena online :-)
May 26 16:19:38 -lena- woef
May 26 16:19:43 -pueblo- :)
May 26 16:19:46 -Tsila- meoow :-)
May 26 16:19:47 -joke- question to speaker :
May 26 16:20:19 -joke- what's the link of all this website and american financial company, fondation...etc,
May 26 16:20:38 -joke- open publishing & business
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May 26 16:21:07 -joke- building business model with open publishing & libre movement
May 26 16:21:22 -joke- free data & files
May 26 16:21:40 -lena- can you fill me in on the discussion so far? in 2 words?
May 26 16:22:03 -joke- he present a lot of open publhsing open upload sharing, P2P website
May 26 16:22:27 -joke- and how it creates new sharing content
May 26 16:22:27 -pueblo- well, Alessandro has been speaking about hese new forms of web 2.0 flicker, de.li.cious etc
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May 26 16:22:30 -Tsila- he mainly discusses social web phenomenon
May 26 16:22:32 -pueblo- and p2p
May 26 16:22:32 -lena- who is speaking?
May 26 16:22:42 -Tsila- alessandro ludovico
May 26 16:22:45 -pueblo- alessandro ludovico (neural.it)
May 26 16:22:47 -lena- tnx
May 26 16:23:10 -pueblo- www.okno.be/?id=779
May 26 16:23:15 -joke- there is a lot of cut... in the sound
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May 26 16:23:59 -chevil- we depend on the network
May 26 16:24:05 -joke- mmm
May 26 16:24:08 -lena- is the rain influencing my bandwith or are there broadcast probs?
May 26 16:24:18 -joke- yes for sure
May 26 16:24:23 -joke- the best it's the sun!!
May 26 16:24:34 -lena- cables expanding?
May 26 16:24:44 -chevil- gollumlab.dyndns.org/piespy/images/okno/okno-current.png
May 26 16:25:08 -pueblo- w:bittorrent
May 26 16:25:11 -wikinibot- bittorrent
May 26 16:25:11 -wikinibot- #redirect BitTorrent
May 26 16:25:22 -pueblo- w:bitorrent
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May 26 16:25:33 -wikinibot- bitorrent
May 26 16:25:35 -wikinibot- 'BitTorrent' is both the name of a peer-to-peer (P2P) file distribution client
May 26 16:25:35 -wikinibot- application and also the name of the file sharing protocol itself, both of which
May 26 16:25:36 -wikinibot- were created by programmer Bram Cohen. BitTorrent is designed to widely
May 26 16:25:36 -wikinibot- distribute large amounts of data without incurring the corresponding consumption
May 26 16:25:37 -wikinibot- in costly server and bandwidth resources. CacheLogic suggests that BitTorrent
May 26 16:25:38 -wikinibot- traffic accounts for ~35% of all traffic on the Internet,-ref--/ref- while other
May 26 16:25:38 -wikinibot- sources are skeptical.-ref--/ref-
May 26 16:25:40 -wikinibot- The original BitTorrent application was written in Python and its source code,
May 26 16:25:42 -wikinibot- as of version 4.0, has been released under the BitTorrent Open Source License (a
May 26 16:25:42 -wikinibot- modified version of the Jabber Open Source License). There are numerous
May 26 16:25:44 -wikinibot- compatible clients, written in a variety of languages and running on a variety
May 26 16:25:44 -wikinibot- of computing platforms.
May 26 16:28:05 -chevil- ydegoyon.free.fr/wikinibot.tar.gz
May 26 16:28:20 -lena- guys, my connection sucks, can't follow. will check back later. have fun
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May 26 16:28:55 -pueblo- bye lena
May 26 16:28:56 -joke- there is no mag online like this in france
May 26 16:28:59 -joke- ...
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May 26 16:29:16 -joke- mute, neural...etc
May 26 16:29:31 -joke- I asked some questions alej...before
May 26 16:29:33 -joke- !!!
May 26 16:30:19 -joke- googlevideo, youthtube...mspace.com
May 26 16:30:20 -joke- !!!
May 26 16:30:23 -junior_isjtar- me to, that ogg file is not coming through and yesterday's strangely opens yesterday's live stream
May 26 16:30:27 -pueblo- im not alej darling im pueblo
May 26 16:30:33 -pueblo- and he is answering now joke to you
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May 26 16:30:54 -joke- yop
May 26 16:31:00 -joke- thanks alej & yves
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May 26 16:32:16 -Tsila- question to alessandro :
May 26 16:32:45 -Tsila- in view of the uses all this content is being put ot by the corporations that provide these paltforms
May 26 16:32:58 -Tsila- should users stop participating / contributing to those ?
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May 26 16:33:30 -Tsila- are there alternatives to such ise of content ?
May 26 16:33:49 -chevil- alessandro said you don't loose copyright on thetube
May 26 16:34:03 -chevil- where did you see this, julien?
May 26 16:34:20 -joke- on their website... I tried all this
May 26 16:34:23 -joke- test it
May 26 16:34:36 -joke- and that have a licence you have to accepted
May 26 16:34:44 -joke- google video same
May 26 16:34:52 -joke- and in myspace.com
May 26 16:35:04 -joke- it was a big news... same a licence
May 26 16:35:18 -joke- take they could own you data whenever their want
May 26 16:35:27 -chevil- i dunno, i'm not exhibitionist )
May 26 16:35:45 -joke- relou man
May 26 16:35:47 -joke- ;-))))
May 26 16:35:50 -pueblo- i disagree with that chevil
May 26 16:35:53 -pueblo- ;)
May 26 16:36:27 -chevil- that's an interesting theme to speak about
May 26 16:36:31 -chevil- CC
May 26 16:36:42 -joke- yes
May 26 16:37:25 -joke- good question!!!!
May 26 16:37:43 -Tsila- thanks :-)
May 26 16:37:50 -pueblo- ;)
May 26 16:38:15 -joke- how they could be counscious?
May 26 16:38:35 -joke- how they could understand the copyright patent that compagny/foundation put on thier content?
May 26 16:38:47 -joke- if they don't know what's the copyright?
May 26 16:38:58 -joke- and it's alternative copyleft?
May 26 16:39:07 -joke- most of the poeple don't look at that
May 26 16:39:27 -joke- I am not agree with Alessandro
May 26 16:39:38 -Tsila- he is partially right
May 26 16:39:49 -pueblo- tsila, nico, sophie do you agree with this, stopping boicot and make strange uses of these platforms?
May 26 16:39:50 -joke- business & copyright patent need to be fight
May 26 16:40:01 -Tsila- using the platform for "disrupoting" information is a good use
May 26 16:40:11 -Tsila- so i very much agree with this
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May 26 16:40:16 -joke- the best is to hack this website!!!!!
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May 26 16:40:35 -joke- cut in ths stream!!!
May 26 16:40:38 -Tsila- and again - karlos katastrtofsky is using delicious to publish his recent works
May 26 16:40:43 -joke- ok
May 26 16:40:45 -joke- fine
May 26 16:40:57 -Tsila- we can also hack the floksonomy
May 26 16:41:04 -Tsila- a trivial example:
May 26 16:41:07 -Tsila- upload images of cats
May 26 16:41:12 -Tsila- with the tag "dog" !
May 26 16:41:30 -Tsila- and create also "image google bombs"
May 26 16:41:34 -joke- if you give too much importance even in making strange, you legitimate their content and uses
May 26 16:41:41 -Tsila- you put images of monkeys
May 26 16:41:47 -joke- for what?
May 26 16:41:48 -Tsila- tagegs as george bush"!
May 26 16:42:04 -joke- it's legitimate anyway
May 26 16:42:18 -Tsila- in this way you disrupt in "information harnessing"
May 26 16:42:43 -joke- maybe it's better to create an alternative flcker, youthtube...etc
May 26 16:42:54 -joke- and make pub in this websites
May 26 16:42:54 -Sophie_apo- I am personnaly more interested in building alternative plateforms and networks then wasting my time making strange uses of proprietarian plateforms. The awarness of the users will come from the sharing open practices through dissimination (organising workshops...)
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May 26 16:43:51 -Tsila- thanks ale :-)
May 26 16:44:05 -pueblo- you are very activa, I like this!
May 26 16:44:25 -Tsila- bettter than writing code, or my essay :-)
May 26 16:44:38 -pueblo- hihi
May 26 16:45:07 -chevil- there's nothing better than writing code, if you want to stop consuming
May 26 16:45:21 -pueblo- Sophie, I agree with you I think if you make strange use of these platforms you just prepare exotic plates for the market
May 26 16:45:25 -Tsila- i can think of a few better things ;-)
May 26 16:45:33 -Tsila- smoking for example - no ?
May 26 16:45:36 -Tsila- ;-)
May 26 16:45:39 -pueblo- haha
May 26 16:45:51 -chevil- smoking what?
May 26 16:46:04 -Tsila- i dont agree with thiis - sophie and ale
May 26 16:46:09 -Tsila- becasue if you use it for strange things
May 26 16:46:17 -Tsila- it becomes too much for the machines to handle
May 26 16:46:27 -Tsila- machien can't handle teh unexpected
May 26 16:46:32 -Sophie_apo- what becomes too much to handle ?
May 26 16:46:35 -pueblo- ow that eventually can change too
May 26 16:46:46 -Tsila- information that doesnt follow a logical / rational path
May 26 16:46:51 -Tsila- [it becomes exponential
May 26 16:46:57 -pueblo- I think she refers to google bombs for example
May 26 16:46:59 -Tsila- and machines can't handle it
May 26 16:47:18 -Tsila- lets go back to teh trivial example :
May 26 16:47:21 -chevil- forkbomb.pl
May 26 16:47:30 -Tsila- if everybody uploads a picture of a cat
May 26 16:47:35 -Tsila- adn tags it in a different way
May 26 16:47:42 -pueblo- but thats how spam works no?
May 26 16:47:43 -Tsila- teh machine can't tell what it is anymore
May 26 16:47:58 -chevil- let's call a cat a dog
May 26 16:47:59 -joke- yes we talk about spam technik
May 26 16:48:08 -Tsila- whatg do you mena thats how splam works ?
May 26 16:48:09 -joke- wahts' the difference
May 26 16:48:11 -Sophie_apo- hijacking is interesting to invent and open new perspectives : alternative is more dangerous for the system then a any kind of "terrorist" action
May 26 16:48:38 -chevil- spam induced big improvements in computer generated poetry
May 26 16:48:44 -Tsila- alteratives such as btorrent ?
May 26 16:48:47 -joke- terrorist action help the system to developp faster
May 26 16:48:53 -pueblo- yes but the market is always looking for new uses
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May 26 16:49:28 -Tsila- intelligence harnessed by networks operates on large numbers
May 26 16:49:31 -pueblo- hello inga
May 26 16:49:38 -Tsila- if we break these large numbers -
May 26 16:49:43 -joke- but it's difficult to repaprioate for exemple P2P
May 26 16:49:44 -Tsila- then intelligence is much harder to collect
May 26 16:50:01 -Tsila- but developing alternatives is definitely more interesting
May 26 16:50:12 -joke- the much spread practices
May 26 16:50:44 -pueblo- gollumlab.dyndns.org/piespy/images/okno/okno-current.png
May 26 16:51:12 -joke- no stream man
May 26 16:51:13 -joke- !!!
May 26 16:51:39 -joke- dead stream!!!
May 26 16:51:48 -joke- we cut from you
May 26 16:52:11 -joke- anyway the debate with alessandro desapear...
May 26 16:52:11 -joke- bouga
May 26 16:52:22 -chevil- back
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May 26 16:52:50 -joke- mmm...waiting
May 26 16:52:57 -joke- ok
May 26 16:53:21 -joke- yves hand on the screen?
May 26 16:53:39 -joke- joke in the back of the spoeakers
May 26 16:53:46 -joke- ntnutnut;-)))
May 26 16:53:50 -pueblo- 15 mins break fellows
May 26 16:53:51 -chevil- anyway there abreak now
May 26 16:54:00 -joke- pueblo on the TV
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May 26 16:54:09 -chevil- w:tv
May 26 16:54:10 -Tsila- ale ?
May 26 16:54:11 -joke- how we could have beer from there!!!
May 26 16:54:17 -joke- we want beer
May 26 16:54:17 -wikinibot- tv
May 26 16:54:18 -wikinibot- tv :: disambiguate :
May 26 16:54:18 -wikinibot- 1958 | telecommunication | broadcasting | Film | sound | television program | Transmission (telecommunications) | photoconductivity | selenium | Willoughby Smith | Paul Nipkow | Charles Francis Jenkins | John Logie Baird | Philo Taylor Farnsworth | Vladimir Zworykin | British Broadcasting Corporation | camera | flying spot scanner | motion picture | transmitter | television signal | receiver (television) | satellite | bandwidth | cathode ray
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May 26 16:54:22 -joke- :!!!!!
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May 26 16:54:30 -joke- could we make sound from here!!!
May 26 16:54:45 -pueblo- hi luka
May 26 16:54:56 -pueblo- lemme check joke
May 26 16:55:07 -luka- hi pueblo, everybody
May 26 16:55:17 -Tsila- hi luka :-)
May 26 16:55:51 -chevil- julien program is busy
May 26 16:55:57 -chevil- 3 performances tonight
May 26 16:56:05 -chevil- maybe 4 con jan-kees
May 26 16:56:08 -joke- ok
May 26 16:56:12 -joke- don't worry
May 26 16:57:04 -chevil- the bot can answer your questions when we are at the bar )
May 26 16:57:13 -luka- whats happening atm? a break
May 26 16:57:18 -joke- hmmm... gonna have a tea
May 26 16:57:23 -Tsila- yes - 15 min. break
May 26 16:57:34 -Tsila- tea is a good idea
May 26 16:59:08 -joke- earlgrey with milk...
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May 26 16:59:11 -joke- I make it now do you want some?
May 26 16:59:28 -joke- ah next step sharing test with others...
May 26 16:59:58 -joke- one of the human experiences we can't share with the network... like touching
May 26 17:01:46 -chevil- some made networks with fluids
May 26 17:01:55 -Tsila- i wll share a cup of tea with you - through telepathy :-)
May 26 17:02:10 -Tsila- yves - the earliest networks were fluids
May 26 17:02:18 -Tsila- thats were teh term comes from
May 26 17:02:30 -chevil- w:stream
May 26 17:02:38 -wikinibot- stream
May 26 17:02:41 -wikinibot- A 'stream', brook, beck or creek, is a body of water with a detectable current,
May 26 17:02:41 -wikinibot- confined within a bed and banks. 'Stream' is also an umbrella term used in the
May 26 17:02:42 -wikinibot- scientific community for all flowing natural waters, regardless of size. The
May 26 17:02:42 -wikinibot- study of streams and waterways in general is known as surface [[hydrology]] and
May 26 17:02:44 -wikinibot- is important in environmental geography or environmental geology.
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May 26 17:03:20 -Tsila- btw human experiences you can or cant share:
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May 26 17:03:32 -Tsila- do oyu know Alexei shulgin's work ?
May 26 17:03:45 -Tsila- FUFM ?
May 26 17:03:55 -chevil- a little bit yes
May 26 17:04:08 -chevil- it worked! he had a baby
May 26 17:04:19 -Tsila- a baby with alexei!
May 26 17:04:21 -Tsila- fantastic!!!!!
May 26 17:04:35 -joke- no flamish man
May 26 17:04:40 -joke- can't understand
May 26 17:04:41 -luka- trough the site?
May 26 17:04:58 -joke- or groot van stufle
May 26 17:05:00 -joke- !!!
May 26 17:05:12 -Tsila- where else ? ;-)
May 26 17:05:17 -chevil- )
May 26 17:05:26 -joke- ist van bluke
May 26 17:05:31 -Tsila- maybe alexei was th epioneer of "web 3.0" !
May 26 17:05:35 -joke- bluke art nischt
May 26 17:06:31 -luka- a lot of brum in the stream today
May 26 17:07:13 --- olm-e (www-data@customer-colocation-okno-1.all2all.org) has joined #okno
May 26 17:08:50 -olm-e- eric i saw you !!
May 26 17:10:12 -chevil- yes eric from 'reseau citoyen' is here
May 26 17:10:29 -chevil- but strangely he will not speak today
May 26 17:10:45 -chevil- he spoke in the 'interdisciplinarity' panel
May 26 17:10:57 -pueblo- transdiciplinarity
May 26 17:11:07 -chevil- yaya po
May 26 17:11:19 -pueblo- www.okno.be/?id=816
May 26 17:11:38 -pueblo- hello olm-e and muna
May 26 17:12:16 -olm-e- haha ... i was in a shool where we neve knew if it was trans or inter or multi disciplinary ... it changed all years
May 26 17:12:25 -olm-e- hello
May 26 17:12:55 -olm-e- is ther sound for the stream ... ?? maybe later ?
May 26 17:13:43 -joke- I have sound
May 26 17:13:46 --- rarita (www-data@customer-colocation-okno-1.all2all.org) has joined #okno
May 26 17:14:34 -chevil- hello olm-e would you introduce yourself?
May 26 17:15:07 -olm-e- yes excuse me ... i'm digital artist from brussels, i'm also part of reseaucitoyen ...
May 26 17:15:30 -joke- do you mean you are digitalized, do you have an avatar?
May 26 17:15:42 -joke- you are in the matrix right now?
May 26 17:15:57 -olm-e- part of... we are all part of the matrix ...
May 26 17:16:20 -joke- yes ;-)))
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May 26 17:16:57 -chevil- is disciplinarity related to discipline?
May 26 17:17:28 -joke- depend of the point of view
May 26 17:17:36 -joke- I will make kung fu
May 26 17:17:44 -joke- soon shaolin man
May 26 17:18:01 -joke- some YI QUAN (DA CHENG QUAN)
May 26 17:18:05 -chevil- don't break your leg again )
May 26 17:18:14 -joke- it's was french boxing
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May 26 17:18:24 -joke- you now how is french ;-)))
May 26 17:18:34 -chevil- yes rude and pretentious
May 26 17:18:35 -joke- but chinese... ask
May 26 17:18:41 -joke- el peublo ;-)))
May 26 17:18:46 --- golgi (~80f3dc2a@cache4-out.nottingham.ac.uk) has joined #okno
May 26 17:18:57 -pueblo- hi golgi
May 26 17:18:57 -junior_isjtar- no chinese without charachters please...
May 26 17:19:05 -junior_isjtar- is that possible btw?
May 26 17:19:07 -golgi- hi pueblo!
May 26 17:19:25 -pueblo- can you introduce yourself and tell us where you are located?
May 26 17:19:44 -chevil- ( that's a bot speaking )
May 26 17:19:51 -junior_isjtar- 你门好
May 26 17:19:52 -olm-e- (haa .. got sound now .... )
May 26 17:20:05 -pueblo- yes iMpartially a wellcome bot
May 26 17:20:08 -golgi- I study brain development, I come from chile, but I've been living in france and now in the UK
May 26 17:20:24 -chevil- oeo
May 26 17:20:43 -joke- neuroscience you mean?
May 26 17:20:44 -pueblo- I knew golgi was neuro biology related
May 26 17:20:51 -joke- nice
May 26 17:20:57 -pueblo- junior nina says hello
May 26 17:21:08 -junior_isjtar- say hio to her too
May 26 17:21:24 -chevil- el pueblo says she's from china, but she's from chili
May 26 17:21:29 -pueblo- junior guy says that is better that you go to bed if you have to play inthe performance
May 26 17:21:34 -golgi- yup. neuroscience. Golgi was an italian neurobiologist that developed a technique to see the structure of brain connectivity
May 26 17:21:43 -pueblo- :D
May 26 17:21:46 -chevil- w:golgi
May 26 17:21:50 -junior_isjtar- guy should go to sleep earlier too
May 26 17:21:54 -wikinibot- golgi
May 26 17:21:55 -wikinibot- golgi :: disambiguate :
May 26 17:21:55 -wikinibot- Camillo Golgi | Golgi apparatus | Golgi organ
May 26 17:21:58 -joke- we should take later golgi
May 26 17:21:59 -joke- !!!
May 26 17:22:04 -golgi- camilo golgi
May 26 17:22:09 -junior_isjtar- otherwise he gets buggy
May 26 17:22:10 -chevil- w:(camilo golgi)
May 26 17:22:15 -wikinibot- camilo golgi
May 26 17:22:16 -wikinibot- :: nada :: res de res ::
May 26 17:22:24 -chevil- w:(Camilo Golgi)
May 26 17:22:25 -joke- golgi=roberto
May 26 17:22:29 -joke- hi roberto
May 26 17:22:29 -wikinibot- Camilo Golgi
May 26 17:22:29 -wikinibot- :: nada :: res de res ::
May 26 17:22:41 -golgi- hi joke!
May 26 17:22:54 -joke- joke=julien
May 26 17:22:54 -chevil- w:(Golgi apparatus)
May 26 17:23:01 -wikinibot- Golgi apparatus
May 26 17:23:03 -wikinibot- In cell biology, the 'Golgi apparatus' (also called a 'Golgi body', 'Golgi
May 26 17:23:03 -wikinibot- complex', or 'dictyosome') is an organelle found in most eukaryotic cells,
May 26 17:23:03 -wikinibot- including those of plants, animals, and fungi. The name comes from Italian
May 26 17:23:04 -wikinibot- anatomist Camillo Golgi, who identified it in 1898. The primary function of the
May 26 17:23:04 -wikinibot- Golgi apparatus is to process proteins targeted to the plasma membrane,
May 26 17:23:05 -wikinibot- lysosomes or endosomes, and those that will be formed from the cell, and sort
May 26 17:23:05 -wikinibot- them within vesicles. Thus, it functions as a central delivery system for the
May 26 17:23:06 -wikinibot- cell. It is part of the endomembrane system.
May 26 17:23:07 -golgi- ok! where are you from joke?
May 26 17:23:13 -joke- king of networks!!!!
May 26 17:23:21 -joke- I am king of relou!!!!
May 26 17:23:27 -joke- france
May 26 17:23:29 -joke- Nantes
May 26 17:23:34 -joke- www.apo33.org
May 26 17:23:58 -golgi- (there a fine band from nantes, 'idem' do you know them?)
May 26 17:24:12 -joke- post rock abdn no?
May 26 17:24:20 -joke- I know there name
May 26 17:24:26 -pueblo- Nina and Guy will present their transmutation project
May 26 17:24:33 -joke- we are listening
May 26 17:24:39 -pueblo- golgi are you getting the stream?
May 26 17:24:42 -golgi- kind of. a little bit like scorn
May 26 17:24:42 -chevil- W:transmutation
May 26 17:24:47 -wikinibot- transmutation
May 26 17:24:48 -wikinibot- :See also [[transmutation of species]] and [[transubstantiation]].
May 26 17:24:49 -wikinibot- 'Transmutation' is the conversion of one object into another. Transmutation of
May 26 17:24:49 -wikinibot- chemical elements occurs through nuclear reactions. This is called nuclear
May 26 17:24:50 -wikinibot- transmutation. Natural transmutation is when radioactive elements spontaneously
May 26 17:24:50 -wikinibot- decay over a long period of time and transform into other more stable elements.
May 26 17:24:51 -wikinibot- Artificial transmutation occurs in machinery that have enough energy to cause
May 26 17:24:51 -wikinibot- changes in nuclear structure of the elements.The machines that can cause
May 26 17:24:52 -wikinibot- artificial transmutation include the particle accelerator and tokamak reactor.
May 26 17:24:57 -golgi- how do i do to get the stream? (i'm a mac user...)
May 26 17:25:17 -olm-e- wikibot forgot about cold fusion !!
May 26 17:25:34 -pueblo- you can get ogg stream with vlc player but perhaps quicktime is easier for you
May 26 17:25:57 -golgi- (ok, I'll try)
May 26 17:26:09 -pueblo- with quicktime player open qt.okno.be:8000/okno.sdp
May 26 17:26:19 -olm-e- where is that ogg stream ? i had to boot win32 to get the mov running !!
May 26 17:26:25 -pueblo- or via browser www.okno.be/live
May 26 17:26:41 -pueblo- ogg stream www.hackitectura.net:8000/public.ogg
May 26 17:26:49 -joke- very bad connection there isni't?
May 26 17:26:57 -joke- lot of cut off
May 26 17:27:12 -chevil- yes
May 26 17:27:15 -joke- chevy doing the stream
May 26 17:27:16 -pueblo- how is it for you luka?
May 26 17:27:20 -joke- I understood
May 26 17:27:28 -joke- cutting the edge
May 26 17:27:32 -joke- :-)))))
May 26 17:27:37 -luka- today quicktime is working well
May 26 17:27:40 -chevil- but i go through ale's machine
May 26 17:27:58 -chevil- with wireless
May 26 17:28:00 -golgi- (i'm having the stream. It's OK)
May 26 17:28:00 -luka- the ogg is a bit noisy and has sound breaking
May 26 17:28:04 -junior_isjtar- better anyway
May 26 17:28:05 -joke- oh i see
May 26 17:28:22 -pueblo- w:(scale free networks)
May 26 17:28:25 -wikinibot- scale free networks
May 26 17:28:25 -wikinibot- :: nada :: res de res ::
May 26 17:28:54 -joke- sound is strange... nice
May 26 17:29:00 -joke- feedback & cut
May 26 17:29:05 -pueblo- yes a bit of feedback
May 26 17:29:10 -joke- very network art
May 26 17:29:12 -pueblo- and resonances
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May 26 17:29:23 -joke- do you alvin lucier
May 26 17:29:31 -joke- I am sitting in a room
May 26 17:29:37 -joke- very nice piece
May 26 17:30:00 -joke- for Golgi, he made some piece with neural electricity amplification
May 26 17:30:12 -joke- brain activity we could say
May 26 17:30:14 -olm-e- yes ... in rr..rr.Rrroomm ... with rr..rresonnance ...
May 26 17:30:31 -pueblo- golgi we are drwing the social network look gollumlab.dyndns.org/piespy/images/okno/okno-current.png
May 26 17:30:32 -joke- alucier.web.wesleyan.edu/
May 26 17:30:44 -golgi- joke: nope, i dont know him. do u have a link?
May 26 17:30:56 -golgi- that was quick! thnx!
May 26 17:30:58 -joke- alucier.web.wesleyan.edu/
May 26 17:31:28 -chevil- i won't be able to stream tonight
May 26 17:31:35 -chevil- because we play also
May 26 17:32:01 -junior_isjtar- what you playing?
May 26 17:32:13 -joke- Music for Solo Performer (1965) for enormously amplified brain waves and percussion
May 26 17:32:29 -pueblo- I wonder if we are gloryfying the network concept. there are networks of human traffic also
May 26 17:32:32 -junior_isjtar- they say it works without the brain
May 26 17:32:55 -joke- interesting for exemple the neural network is new concept
May 26 17:33:20 -joke- who really conceptuallised this concept last century?
May 26 17:33:30 -golgi- neural networks in a concept from the '50. As far as I know, introduced by Nicola Rashevsky
May 26 17:34:00 -chevil- w:(Nicola Rashevsky)
May 26 17:34:06 -joke- physician
May 26 17:34:06 -wikinibot- Nicola Rashevsky
May 26 17:34:06 -wikinibot- :: nada :: res de res ::
May 26 17:34:13 -chevil- w:(Nicolas Rashevsky)
May 26 17:34:20 -wikinibot- Nicolas Rashevsky
May 26 17:34:21 -wikinibot- :: nada :: res de res ::
May 26 17:34:23 -pueblo- Manuel Castell says that the network as the network infraestructure of the internet and the society that rises from it corresponds to a rejuvenation of capitalism
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May 26 17:34:30 -chevil- w:(Rashevsky)
May 26 17:34:32 -joke- 62.97.114.150/traducirpagina.aspx?slyidioma=es_fr&url=www.infoamerica.org%2Fteoria%2Frashevsky1.htm
May 26 17:34:37 -joke- french
May 26 17:34:50 -pueblo- hi inga
May 26 17:34:53 -chevil- w:Rashevsky
May 26 17:34:56 -wikinibot- Rashevsky
May 26 17:34:57 -wikinibot- :: nada :: res de res ::
May 26 17:35:07 -golgi- rashevsky's neural networks were very hard to study...
May 26 17:35:25 -joke- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connectionism
May 26 17:35:31 -golgi- after him, McCulloch & Pitts introduced a (kind of) simpler version
May 26 17:35:49 -chevil- w:Connectionism
May 26 17:35:55 -wikinibot- Connectionism
May 26 17:35:55 -wikinibot- 'Connectionism' is an approach in the fields of artificial intelligence,
May 26 17:35:55 -wikinibot- cognitive science, neuroscience, psychology and philosophy of mind.
May 26 17:35:59 -golgi- Finally, the most successful time for neural networks was during the 80s
May 26 17:36:03 -chevil- W:Connectionism
May 26 17:36:07 -golgi- in a movement called 'connectionism'
May 26 17:36:12 -joke- 80's
May 26 17:36:12 -wikinibot- Connectionism
May 26 17:36:13 -wikinibot- 'Connectionism' is an approach in the fields of artificial intelligence,
May 26 17:36:13 -wikinibot- cognitive science, neuroscience, psychology and philosophy of mind.
May 26 17:36:14 -wikinibot- Connectionism models mental or behavioral phenomena as the emergent processes of
May 26 17:36:14 -wikinibot- 'interconnected networks of simple units'. There are many different forms of
May 26 17:36:15 -wikinibot- connectionism, but the most common forms utilize neural network models.
May 26 17:36:24 -joke- start in 50's and devel in the 80's
May 26 17:36:38 -joke- 30 years after!!!
May 26 17:36:49 -chevil- i thought neural networks was loosing strength now
May 26 17:36:49 -golgi- The important concept of connectionism (in my opinion) is that of 'distributed representation'
May 26 17:37:00 -chevil- going more into agent-based models
May 26 17:37:09 -pueblo- w:(distributed representation)
May 26 17:37:11 -wikinibot- distributed representation
May 26 17:37:12 -wikinibot- The 'distributed representation' is a fundamental concept from the neural
May 26 17:37:12 -wikinibot- networks area of computer science. Specifically, the concept of parallel
May 26 17:37:13 -wikinibot- distributed processing.
May 26 17:37:18 -joke- question to speakers :
May 26 17:37:23 -golgi- agent-based models were introduced by marvin minsky to artificial intelligence
May 26 17:37:26 -joke- which networks are we talking about?
May 26 17:37:34 -joke- Human networks?
May 26 17:37:44 -joke- * Business network
May 26 17:37:44 -joke- * Entrepreneurial network
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