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thursday may 25, 2006
Matrix Art Project, Brussels/online
 
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 25 14:58:26 2006

May 25 14:58:26 --- You are now talking on #okno
May 25 14:58:28 -pueblo- w:constructivist epistemology
May 25 14:58:31 -wikinibot- constructivist
May 25 14:58:32 -wikinibot- constructivist :: disambiguate :
May 25 14:58:32 -wikinibot- constructivist epistemology constructivism (mathematics) constructivism (art) constructivism (learning theory) linguistics Constructivism in international relations
May 25 14:58:42 -black- is this a bob?
May 25 14:58:52 -pueblo- w:(constructivist epistemology)
May 25 14:58:56 -wikinibot- constructivist epistemology
May 25 14:58:56 -wikinibot- 'Constructivism' is a recent development in philosophy which criticizes
May 25 14:58:57 -wikinibot- essentialism, whether it is in the form of medieval realism, classical
May 25 14:58:57 -wikinibot- rationalism, or empiricism. It originated in sociology under the term social
May 25 14:58:58 -wikinibot- constructionism and has been given the name constructivism when referring to
May 25 14:58:58 -wikinibot- philosophical epistemology, though constructionism and constructivism are often
May 25 14:58:59 -wikinibot- used interchangeably.
May 25 14:59:05 -chevil- ola amigos
May 25 14:59:38 -pueblo- bot was programmed by yves, using code from jaume and wikipedia perl module
May 25 14:59:40 -chevil- hola black
May 25 14:59:49 -black- ola
May 25 14:59:54 -chevil- hola ilse
May 25 15:00:01 -black- nice one
May 25 15:00:05 -chevil- i'm yves, shouldn't say it
May 25 15:00:16 -pueblo- can you tell me your locations?
May 25 15:00:18 -chevil- here with alejandra
May 25 15:00:19 --- junior_isjtar (www-data@customer-colocation-okno-1.all2all.org) has joined #okno
May 25 15:00:22 -black- o good i just wanted to ask
May 25 15:00:36 * bjorn Nieuwegein, The Netherlands
May 25 15:00:39 -pueblo- alejandra pueblo here
May 25 15:00:45 -black- r u ther in phisical space?
May 25 15:00:55 -pueblo- yes I'm in okno Brussels
May 25 15:00:57 -black- i mean yves?
May 25 15:01:01 -chevil- yes also
May 25 15:01:02 -pueblo- we are here yes
May 25 15:01:08 -chevil- we'll start the treaming soon
May 25 15:01:13 -chevil- we'll start the streaming soon
May 25 15:01:18 -chevil- so that you can follow
May 25 15:01:19 * bjorn want to know if Jan-kees is in Brussels?
May 25 15:01:20 -pueblo- hello junior_isjtar
May 25 15:01:25 -chevil- i'm afraid we're a bit late
May 25 15:01:31 -pueblo- will ask
May 25 15:01:51 -pueblo- we are drawing the map of our social network
May 25 15:01:52 -chevil- www.okno.be/live
May 25 15:01:53 -pueblo- gollumlab.dyndns.org/piespy/images/okno/okno-current.png
May 25 15:02:04 -junior_isjtar- hello, hello, greetings from beijing
May 25 15:02:25 --- luka (~ljudmila@s121.ljudmila.org) has joined #okno
May 25 15:02:36 -luka- hello
May 25 15:02:41 -junior_isjtar- what's up next, stream is bad
May 25 15:03:00 -black- nice one
May 25 15:03:16 -pueblo- we are preparing a stream with free codecs now
May 25 15:03:19 -pueblo- hello luka
May 25 15:03:41 -chevil- what do you mean stream is bad?
May 25 15:03:41 -black- luka slov?
May 25 15:03:44 -luka- hi pueblo, everyone...
May 25 15:03:50 -chevil- the concept of stream you mean?
May 25 15:03:55 -chevil- w:stream
May 25 15:03:59 -wikinibot- stream
May 25 15:04:02 -wikinibot- A 'stream', brook, beck or creek, is a body of water with a detectable current,
May 25 15:04:02 -wikinibot- confined within a bed and banks. 'Stream' is also an umbrella term used in the
May 25 15:04:03 -wikinibot- scientific community for all flowing natural waters, regardless of size. The
May 25 15:04:03 -wikinibot- study of streams and waterways in general is known as surface [[hydrology]] and
May 25 15:04:05 -wikinibot- is important in environmental geography or environmental geology.
May 25 15:04:09 -luka- b: ja
May 25 15:04:12 -junior_isjtar- o, this one, but yes actually, video that is...
May 25 15:04:37 -black- l: hello
May 25 15:07:39 -junior_isjtar- can't get into that link either, hmmm...
May 25 15:07:39 -pueblo- can you tell us your location luka?
May 25 15:07:39 --- muna (www-data@customer-colocation-okno-1.all2all.org) has joined #okno
May 25 15:07:39 -luka- im at ljudmila in ljubljana
May 25 15:08:04 --- okno-077 (www-data@customer-colocation-okno-1.all2all.org) has joined #okno
May 25 15:08:08 -pueblo- hello muna
May 25 15:08:17 -pueblo- hello okno-077
May 25 15:08:35 -pueblo- can you tell us your location?
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May 25 15:09:39 -pueblo- hello auriea, wellcome
May 25 15:10:19 -okno-077- hall het is milos, maar ik heb niet veel tijd vandaag, dus ik laat het media art van central europe op jullie behandeling
May 25 15:10:19 --- auriea (www-data@customer-colocation-okno-1.all2all.org) has joined #okno
May 25 15:10:19 -pueblo- vale milos
May 25 15:10:41 -pueblo- unfortunatelly I don't speak dutch
May 25 15:10:41 -okno-077- vale pueblo,
May 25 15:11:09 -okno-077- dammned
May 25 15:11:09 -auriea- okay who here is real and who is a bot?
May 25 15:11:09 -pueblo- only a little bit but I understand you don't have too m uch time today?
May 25 15:11:17 -pueblo- bot is wikinibot
May 25 15:11:22 -pueblo- and pyspy
May 25 15:11:36 -auriea- thank you, good to know.
May 25 15:11:40 -pueblo- pyspy makes gollumlab.dyndns.org/piespy/images/okno/okno-current.png
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May 25 15:11:54 -pueblo- and
May 25 15:12:05 -pueblo- w:bot
May 25 15:12:07 -wikinibot- bot
May 25 15:12:08 -wikinibot- bot :: disambiguate :
May 25 15:12:08 -wikinibot- Robot Internet bot Computer game bot Botfly Bot, Tarragona Terra Alta Spain Alienware Bot Botnet BOT Bote
May 25 15:12:22 -pueblo- w:(Internet bot)
May 25 15:12:26 -wikinibot- Internet bot
May 25 15:12:26 -wikinibot- A 'bot' is common parlance on the Internet for a software program that is a
May 25 15:12:27 -wikinibot- software agent. A Bot interacts with other network services intended for people
May 25 15:12:27 -wikinibot- as if it were a real person. One typical use of bots is to gather information.
May 25 15:12:31 -okno-077- thats righ.. nina asked me to join the discussion, but i need to leave the computers no to prepare a evening with Pure data perfrormance with guests from Graz
May 25 15:12:43 -pueblo- oh!
May 25 15:13:11 -pueblo- yes nina was wondering if you had joined yet
May 25 15:13:24 -okno-077- so tell her i did and send my regards
May 25 15:13:36 -pueblo- a Pure Data performance, that's a nice one
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May 25 15:13:50 -black- who is 77?
May 25 15:14:10 -pueblo- milos nina comes now
May 25 15:14:29 -chevil- i'm yves, we might do dome pd here firday too, with el pueblo
May 25 15:14:34 --- lena (www-data@customer-colocation-okno-1.all2all.org) has joined #okno
May 25 15:14:37 --- pueblo is now known as nina
May 25 15:14:44 -lena- w:lena
May 25 15:14:53 -wikinibot- lena
May 25 15:14:54 -wikinibot- {{Infobox_river river_name = Lena River
May 25 15:14:55 -wikinibot- image_name = Lena_watershed.png caption = Lena watershed origin = Baikal
May 25 15:14:55 -wikinibot- Mountains mouth = Arctic Ocean basin_countries = Russia length = 4,400 km
May 25 15:14:56 -wikinibot- (2,734 mi) elevation = 1,640 m (5,381 ft) discharge = 17,000 m³/s
May 25 15:14:56 -wikinibot- (600,440 ft³/s) watershed = 2,500,000 km² (965,250 mi²)
May 25 15:14:57 -wikinibot- }} The 'Lena River' (Russian: Ле́на) in Siberia is the 10th longest river
May 25 15:14:57 -wikinibot- in the world and has the 9th largest watershed. Rising at the height of 1640 m
May 25 15:14:59 -wikinibot- at its source in the Baikal Mountains south of the Central Siberian Plateau, 20
May 25 15:14:59 -wikinibot- km west of Lake Baikal, the Lena flows northeast, being joined by the Kirenga
May 25 15:15:01 -wikinibot- and the Vitim. From Yakutsk it enters the lowlands, joined by the Olyokma and
May 25 15:15:01 -wikinibot- flows north until joined by its right-hand affluent the Aldan. The Verkhoyansk
May 25 15:15:03 -wikinibot- Range deflects it to the north-west; then, after receiving its most important
May 25 15:15:03 -wikinibot- left-hand tributary, the Viljuj, it makes its way nearly due north to the Laptev
May 25 15:15:05 -wikinibot- Sea, a division of the Arctic Ocean, emptying south-west of the New Siberian
May 25 15:15:05 -wikinibot- Islands by a delta 10,800m² in area, and traversed by seven principal branches,
May 25 15:15:07 -wikinibot- the most important being Bylov, farthest east.
May 25 15:15:12 -nina- hello Milos and thank you for your efforts to join
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May 25 15:15:58 -nina- very sorry that you have to leave, Dusan, Ryszard, Erika, Darko, Andrei are all here and you will be able to follow later
May 25 15:16:10 -nina- very best to you and hope to see you soon
May 25 15:16:32 --- nina is now known as pueblo
May 25 15:16:56 -okno-015- will there be streaming in free protocols today?
May 25 15:16:59 -pueblo- open format stream now transmitting
May 25 15:17:04 -chevil- yes its' started
May 25 15:17:16 -okno-015- where can i find the address
May 25 15:17:22 -pueblo- typing it
May 25 15:17:22 -chevil- www.hackitectura.net:8000/public.ogg
May 25 15:17:40 -okno-015- thanks, femke is baking bread!
May 25 15:17:48 -auriea- yum!
May 25 15:17:53 -junior_isjtar- file not found
May 25 15:18:11 -pueblo- open it with vlc ?
May 25 15:18:23 -okno-015- yeah, yeah not so quick
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May 25 15:18:57 -pueblo- junior_isjtar nina send her regards
May 25 15:19:10 -chevil- a sec
May 25 15:19:20 -junior_isjtar- thanks, so hi to her too...
May 25 15:19:21 --- eg (www-data@customer-colocation-okno-1.all2all.org) has joined #okno
May 25 15:19:47 -chevil- now
May 25 15:19:48 -chevil- www.hackitectura.net:8000/public.ogg
May 25 15:20:09 -okno-015- receiving no signal (yet)
May 25 15:20:19 -luka- got something
May 25 15:20:25 -pueblo- we are beginning the talk now
May 25 15:20:33 -okno-077- no sound
May 25 15:20:59 -auriea- no sound here either :(
May 25 15:21:04 -auriea- i see nina talking
May 25 15:21:14 -auriea- firefox browser
May 25 15:21:41 -okno-077- i see nina pretendint to talk
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May 25 15:21:47 -chevil- there is sound
May 25 15:21:49 -okno-015- receiving loud and clear; muchos gracias
May 25 15:21:52 -gen_lee- ey junior
May 25 15:21:58 -gen_lee- ready to be locked in
May 25 15:22:14 -junior_isjtar- hi gert, you alright?
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May 25 15:22:40 -gen_lee- sure
May 25 15:23:06 -chevil- sorry i need tape to fix the camera
May 25 15:23:15 -chevil- w:grip
May 25 15:23:18 -wikinibot- grip
May 25 15:23:18 -wikinibot- grip :: disambiguate :
May 25 15:23:19 -wikinibot- grip (job) key grip grip (sport fencing) grip (tennis) grip (cricket bowling) grip (gymnastics) grip strength Grip (rapper) Grip audio ripper Grip, Norway Greenland ice core project Grip (auto) GRIP (highway) friction
May 25 15:23:24 -junior_isjtar- how's the festival been?
May 25 15:23:36 -okno-077- sound is fine now
May 25 15:24:00 -chevil- w:(key grip)
May 25 15:24:08 -wikinibot- key grip
May 25 15:24:08 -wikinibot- In American and Canadian film-making, the 'key grip' is the chief grip on the
May 25 15:24:09 -wikinibot- set. Like a foreman, the key grip directs a crew of grips, some with specialized
May 25 15:24:10 -wikinibot- skills such as dolly grips, crane operators, camera car operators, etc.
May 25 15:24:23 -auriea- awitched to pc and now i have sound...
May 25 15:24:39 -okno-015- w: eastern europe
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May 25 15:25:16 -junior_isjtar- had one second of sound here on mac
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May 25 15:25:37 -chevil- on whioch stream there's no sound?
May 25 15:25:43 -chevil- quicktime or ogg?
May 25 15:25:51 -okno-015- stream sound and image plays in Mplayer, but reception not continuous
May 25 15:26:03 -auriea- well, i had trouble with quicktime before, but not now\
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May 25 15:26:39 -junior_isjtar- i meant ogg, qt earlier neither, but now dropping in/out
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May 25 15:28:06 -chevil- streaming over wireless again
May 25 15:28:10 -chevil- might be choppy
May 25 15:28:12 -luka- just sound now here...
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May 25 15:28:39 -junior_isjtar- nice green though...
May 25 15:29:00 -rarita- who is speaking now?
May 25 15:29:47 -junior_isjtar- ogg is good now, with sound
May 25 15:30:59 -eg- hi yves and Alejandra
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May 25 15:31:20 -chevil- ola
May 25 15:31:46 -chevil- sorry present yourself a bit?
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May 25 15:32:15 -roos- nice angle I could see the irc screen (which is delayed)
May 25 15:32:22 -pueblo- I have problems with my internet connection
May 25 15:32:56 -pueblo- Ryszard Kluszczynski is speaking now
May 25 15:33:55 -pueblo- hello eg
May 25 15:33:55 -pueblo- can you tell us where you are
May 25 15:34:16 -chevil- i'm in okno, brussels
May 25 15:34:51 -pueblo- I'm also here but my wireless card is worst than chevil's
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May 25 15:36:35 -pueblo- speaking of processes of mediatization of art
May 25 15:37:26 -roos- I am in Amsterdam
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May 25 15:37:53 -junior_isjtar- beijing
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May 25 15:38:11 -pueblo- hello roos
May 25 15:38:19 -pueblo- Im bouncing
May 25 15:38:47 -pueblo- Are you following the stream?
May 25 15:39:08 -rarita- no image no sound for the moment
May 25 15:39:38 -roos- Is there a way to retrieve the video stream from yesterday, maybe to download it or something
May 25 15:39:47 -okno-077- media art in central E could be a contruction of electronic media promoters and selfpromoters, milos
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May 25 15:40:08 -roos- I recorded a piece of it, but missed the very interesting first part
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May 25 15:40:17 -roos- yep. stream is on
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May 25 15:40:55 -roos- my video stream is very good. I have a delayed chat. that's all
May 25 15:41:03 -pueblo- Ryszard Kluszczynski is suggesting to analize and rewrite history of contemporary media art in key workss of eastern and central europe
May 25 15:41:42 -rarita- key works? or words?
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May 25 15:42:04 -pueblo- works
May 25 15:42:05 -pueblo- and he mentions the official and unofficial histories that may build these common history
May 25 15:42:18 -pueblo- that have been keys
May 25 15:43:53 -pueblo- works that have been keys to understand this history
May 25 15:44:22 -Z- Who cares about museums?
May 25 15:44:23 -black- who decides what is key?
May 25 15:44:34 -Z- Or biennales?
May 25 15:44:38 -Z- Or festivals?
May 25 15:44:40 -pueblo- thats a central point ilze
May 25 15:44:48 -okno-077- video projections are out.. just boring at least mostly, not only in eastern europe
May 25 15:45:29 -black- those all are issues beyond east europe
May 25 15:45:48 -okno-077- hi Guy, talk please something
May 25 15:45:55 -pueblo- but in east europe there is also an art system
May 25 15:46:10 -black- just like everywere else
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May 25 15:46:27 -Z- Media art doesn't need art systems.
May 25 15:46:48 -pueblo- yes, but what are the parts in common to these region?
May 25 15:46:57 -black- there are good examle in east that shows that language is there already , by sound of it its question of integration in general art world
May 25 15:47:18 -pueblo- he says language is the common ground
May 25 15:47:34 -pueblo- media art system also exists Im afraid
May 25 15:47:49 -Z- But you don't need the systems.
May 25 15:48:05 -black- its been institutanilesd for last 10 years at least
May 25 15:48:10 -rarita- by system you mean institutions?
May 25 15:48:18 -pueblo- also institutions
May 25 15:48:18 -pueblo- maybe we don't but we tend to organise everything in the same ways
May 25 15:48:40 -luka- is there a sound only stream?
May 25 15:48:48 -pueblo- I would like to see more nomadic forms of organisations of course
May 25 15:49:05 -luka- i can get both videos but i hear only occasional fragments
May 25 15:49:11 -junior_isjtar- ogg is looping
May 25 15:49:41 -auriea- hi nina
May 25 15:49:53 -okno-077- greed
May 25 15:50:06 -Z- Digital media (unlike video) can be distributed without institutions.
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May 25 15:50:17 -Z- Directly to the user.
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May 25 15:51:21 -rarita- lost sound, can u summerize the answer please?
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May 25 15:51:59 -xgz- hi everyone
May 25 15:52:06 -Z- hi guy
May 25 15:52:11 -auriea- heyhey
May 25 15:52:13 -junior_isjtar- hi guy
May 25 15:52:21 -pueblo- yes he is not happy about the fact that media art also works in the art system
May 25 15:52:30 -pueblo- but it is a fact
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May 25 15:52:33 -auriea- because the artists want it
May 25 15:52:35 -black- well there is still issue that art system and subsequently museums cant find a way to collect distributed media art
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May 25 15:52:54 -auriea- maybe they shouldn't collect it.
May 25 15:52:59 -xgz- think it is a very serious point that it is losing its alternative or innovating character because of it
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May 25 15:53:12 -auriea- just lost the stream!
May 25 15:53:20 -pueblo- yes and also says that he thinks media artists that were claiming a more revolutionary position towards the art system
May 25 15:53:20 -black- ups lost a steem
May 25 15:53:39 -pueblo- are loosing their revolutionary character
May 25 15:53:46 -okno-077- i doubt about the revolutionary elements in media art, it is more exception.. but people who invented the tools and tried to implement them in the society have been very creative
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May 25 15:53:58 -xgz- basically when a media artist is seeing the art world with museums and galeries as its space
May 25 15:54:03 -pueblo- let me check about the streams
May 25 15:54:07 -Z- It's funny because in commerce and industry, this socalled revolution is still growing.
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May 25 15:54:27 -auriea- okay, its back
May 25 15:54:27 -xgz- sure, but still there is hardly people working consciously at an alernative circuit these days
May 25 15:54:33 -black- yes
May 25 15:54:35 -Z- The entertainment industry in particular is using more and more digital distribution.
May 25 15:54:40 -struba- Iaaa this did not go well at all bumping!
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May 25 15:55:00 -xgz- oops now andrey smirnov is on...
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May 25 15:55:09 -auriea- i missed his intro. what is his name and where is he from?
May 25 15:55:19 -auriea- ohoh andrey smirnov
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May 25 15:55:45 -pueblo- thanks xgz, Andreï Smirnov works in the theremin center, Russia
May 25 15:55:52 -xgz- director of theremin centre moscow and media artist
May 25 15:56:23 -black- well revolutionary elements in media art - you mean social or scientific ?
May 25 15:56:24 -pueblo- he just introduced his presentation, thanxs xgz
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May 25 15:56:38 -black- like theremin
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May 25 15:57:45 -chevil- www.hackitectura.net:8000/public.ogg
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May 25 15:59:39 -chevil- ogg stream : www.hackitectura.net:8000/public.ogg
May 25 16:00:04 -black- still revolutionalry still media art and still avantgard and easy collectable?!
May 25 16:00:17 -chevil- quicktime stream : qt.okno.be:8000/okno.sdp
May 25 16:00:17 -xgz- yup!
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May 25 16:00:31 -chevil- or www.okno.be/live
May 25 16:00:35 -pueblo- w:theremin
May 25 16:00:40 -wikinibot- theremin
May 25 16:00:40 -wikinibot- playing an early theremin]]
May 25 16:00:41 -wikinibot- The 'theremin' or 'thereminvox' (originally pronounced but often anglicized as
May 25 16:00:42 -wikinibot- [www.thereminworld.com/faq.asp]) is one of the earliest fully electronic
May 25 16:00:42 -wikinibot- musical instruments. Invented in 1919 by Russian Léon Theremin, the theremin is
May 25 16:00:43 -wikinibot- unusual in that it requires no physical contact in order to produce music and
May 25 16:00:43 -wikinibot- was, in fact, the first musical instrument designed to be played without being
May 25 16:00:44 -wikinibot- touched. The instrument consists of an array of circuitry including two antennas
May 25 16:00:45 -wikinibot- around which the user moves his or her hands to play.
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May 25 16:06:12 -pueblo- I am curious, friends from eastern europe, how close to your history you feel Russian art?
May 25 16:06:33 -black- good question
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May 25 16:06:49 -lena- please tell me again the address for the ogg stream?
May 25 16:06:57 -black- with regards to theremin - very
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May 25 16:07:17 -pueblo- www.hackitectura.net:8000/public.ogg
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May 25 16:09:23 -black- does art has ethnisity? is that what you asked?
May 25 16:09:43 -pueblo- well is a common background
May 25 16:10:16 -junior_isjtar- sorry to interruupt, but what is the device?
May 25 16:10:25 -junior_isjtar- audio falling out all the time
May 25 16:10:29 -junior_isjtar- frustrating
May 25 16:10:34 -pueblo- theremin?
May 25 16:10:36 -black- well the common ground is technologies and history of media developments
May 25 16:11:07 -chevil- i restart the ogg stream
May 25 16:11:20 -pueblo- Thnks black, I admire theremin so much I also feel related to his work
May 25 16:11:21 -chevil- with adapted settings
May 25 16:11:27 -luka- technical standards
May 25 16:11:30 -junior_isjtar- if it's that then i know, thanks
May 25 16:11:46 -xgz- you work for secret intelligence services too, I know...
May 25 16:11:55 -black- you see and you not even from east ;)
May 25 16:13:53 -black- how to survive - in post kgb state ? today comparasment would be working for nocia or something like that
May 25 16:14:25 -luka- vodafone
May 25 16:15:15 -pueblo- now speaking of Arseny Avrahamov
May 25 16:15:51 -chevil- w:(Arseny Avrahamov)
May 25 16:15:54 -wikinibot- Arseny Avrahamov
May 25 16:15:55 -wikinibot- :: nada :: res de res ::
May 25 16:15:55 -xgz- yes mxhz will stage an homage to him in baku 2022, you all come?
May 25 16:16:21 -black- yes we will!
May 25 16:16:56 -black- is factory still there?
May 25 16:16:56 -luka- Arseny Avrahamov could conduct the entire city of Moscow from a rooftop in a composition made up of alarms, sirens, fog horns and factory whistles. Alas, in 1933 Stalin came along to curtail the disorienteering.
May 25 16:17:02 -xgz- yes andrey showed me the pplace some years ago in moscow
May 25 16:17:12 -xgz- that was in 1923
May 25 16:18:02 -chevil- sorry, troubles with the ogg stream
May 25 16:18:05 -xgz- sholpo and the variophone now to produce sound on sort of film tape
May 25 16:18:08 -chevil- will restart soon
May 25 16:18:19 -chevil- pb is the wireless conenction
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May 25 16:18:47 -xgz- now the pictures of the first soundtrack by avraamov
May 25 16:19:05 -xgz- paper sound technique by voinov
May 25 16:19:06 -black- nice one!
May 25 16:19:10 -chevil- now restarted
May 25 16:19:15 -chevil- ogg stream : www.hackitectura.net:8000/public.ogg
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May 25 16:19:50 -xgz- painted soundtracks by avraamov
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May 25 16:19:59 -auriea- nice!
May 25 16:20:18 -xgz- 1931 _ do you have sound yet?
May 25 16:20:22 -auriea- yes
May 25 16:20:27 -xgz- ok nice
May 25 16:20:30 -junior_isjtar- yes
May 25 16:20:45 -junior_isjtar- cool one too
May 25 16:21:45 -luka- streams working better now!
May 25 16:22:04 -lena- we need a little summary of the last minutes since the ogg. stream fell away? who is speaking
May 25 16:22:05 -chevil- interesting history of russian sound experiments
May 25 16:22:14 -black- here you go - all contemporary visualsound developemnts originated in russia
May 25 16:22:48 -xgz- yippee now murzin and the ans synthesiser that is now in theremin centre
May 25 16:22:49 -chevil- then thinking of raymond scott
May 25 16:22:51 -black- can you please ask if there url for this all data he is talking about
May 25 16:23:10 -black- theremin center i mean
May 25 16:23:13 -pueblo- yes it is such a powerfull origin,black yes I will ask
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May 25 16:23:24 -auriea- funny that the aesthetic has not evolvd :p
May 25 16:23:28 -chevil- w:(raymond scott)
May 25 16:23:30 -pueblo- xgz do you know?
May 25 16:23:33 -wikinibot- raymond scott
May 25 16:23:34 -wikinibot- :: nada :: res de res ::
May 25 16:23:59 -black- yes bot help us
May 25 16:24:01 -xgz- it will be put online afterwards
May 25 16:24:23 -xgz- not there yet but we will work on it because there is very few of this online yet
May 25 16:24:29 -chevil- the bot only gets in wikipedia, of course you can submit articles to wikipedia
May 25 16:25:22 -pueblo- please if you have other questions we can formulate them?
May 25 16:25:25 -lena- why not introduce artictic strategies into the realm of the military?
May 25 16:26:18 -junior_isjtar- pass the microphone
May 25 16:26:37 -black- how does this history now is seen in russia and in contexts cof contemporary russian media art
May 25 16:26:48 -xgz- theremin.ru
May 25 16:26:57 -lena- i prefer you teach us russian
May 25 16:27:16 -xgz- darko now
May 25 16:28:08 -chevil- darko fritz from zagreb
May 25 16:28:55 -pueblo- we will keep our questions for the discussion
May 25 16:29:21 -lena- damn ... stream died, can't follow without, will check back later
May 25 16:29:45 -chevil- just a cut
May 25 16:29:50 -chevil- it's running
May 25 16:29:53 -pueblo- ok lena, my chat is also delayed
May 25 16:30:29 -xgz- it is about artists being interested in computer art in zagreb in 80s, no one was at time interested in it he says
May 25 16:30:40 -lena- yhnx
May 25 16:30:49 -lena- sorry: ... thanks
May 25 16:30:54 -xgz- now 1968 exhibition about computer art in zagreb too
May 25 16:31:05 -black- well he says that everyone forgot about it
May 25 16:31:23 -auriea- haha
May 25 16:31:25 -lena- before my birth ..
May 25 16:31:45 -xgz- a movie about contemporary art around 1965
May 25 16:31:56 -auriea- funny that the aesthetic has not evolved
May 25 16:32:05 -xgz- tell me when you got gour stream/sound back
May 25 16:32:18 -lena- well looking at my stream it is kind of paralel to early vids
May 25 16:32:25 -black- they all paintings
May 25 16:32:43 -auriea- yeah and now the stuff at oko is on laptop screens, it still looks the same
May 25 16:33:20 -chevil- we just use a webcam here, sorry for poor image
May 25 16:33:34 -lena- maybe a slideshow with radiotransmission would help?
May 25 16:33:42 -luka- no sound and video breaking...
May 25 16:33:50 -black- does aestetics are primal in todays media art ?
May 25 16:34:11 -xgz- no, media I think
May 25 16:34:23 -lena- beaty? or : the study of easthetica
May 25 16:34:23 -auriea- i don't know about primal... i just think there is a fetishization of the pixel
May 25 16:35:07 -chevil- i think you have a reception issue, but here it's emitting fine
May 25 16:35:08 -auriea- or i mean artists atuck on a certain aesthetic forever
May 25 16:35:18 -lena- w: media art
May 25 16:35:31 -chevil- anyway if you're on a mac, you can watch the quicktime stream
May 25 16:35:39 -luka- better
May 25 16:35:46 -pueblo- w:(media art)
May 25 16:35:49 -luka- im on linux
May 25 16:35:50 -wikinibot- media art
May 25 16:35:50 -wikinibot- 'New media art' (also known as 'media art') is a generic term used to describe
May 25 16:35:51 -wikinibot- art related to, or created with, a technology invented or made widely available
May 25 16:35:51 -wikinibot- since the mid-20th Century. The term differentiates itself by its resulting
May 25 16:35:52 -wikinibot- cultural objects, which can be seen in opposition to those deriving from old
May 25 16:35:52 -wikinibot- media arts (i.e. traditional painting, sculpture, etc.) New Media concerns are
May 25 16:35:53 -wikinibot- often derived from the telecommunications, mass media and digital modes of
May 25 16:35:53 -wikinibot- delivery the artworks involve, with practises ranging from conceptual to virtual
May 25 16:35:54 -wikinibot- art, performance to installation. The term is generally applied to disciplines
May 25 16:35:55 -wikinibot- such as:
May 25 16:35:57 -wikinibot- * Audio Art
May 25 16:35:57 -wikinibot- * Cell Phone Art
May 25 16:35:59 -wikinibot- * Computer Art
May 25 16:35:59 -wikinibot- * Digital Art
May 25 16:36:01 -wikinibot- * Electronic Art
May 25 16:36:01 -wikinibot- * Generative Art
May 25 16:36:03 -wikinibot- * Hacktivism
May 25 16:36:03 -wikinibot- * Interactive Art
May 25 16:36:05 -wikinibot- * Internet Art
May 25 16:36:05 -wikinibot- * MediaTechnologyArt
May 25 16:36:07 -wikinibot- * Performance Art
May 25 16:36:07 -wikinibot- * Robotic Art
May 25 16:36:09 -wikinibot- * Software Art
May 25 16:36:09 -wikinibot- * Sound Art
May 25 16:36:11 -wikinibot- * Video Art
May 25 16:36:11 -wikinibot- * Video Game Art
May 25 16:36:31 -black- hmm network art is missing
May 25 16:36:57 -lena- w:network art
May 25 16:36:59 -chevil- w:(netart)
May 25 16:37:00 -wikinibot- network
May 25 16:37:00 -wikinibot- network :: disambiguate :
May 25 16:37:01 -wikinibot- Business network Entrepreneurial network Social network Old boy network Sexual network Radio network Television network Network (film) Network Records The Network Digital network Electrical network Computer networking Telecommunications network Network theory Network (mathematics) Neural network Transport network Spatial network Network effect
May 25 16:37:09 -lena- great!
May 25 16:37:28 -chevil- w:netart
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May 25 16:37:35 -wikinibot- netart
May 25 16:37:35 -wikinibot- 'Internet art' (often called '[[net.art]]') is art or cultural production which
May 25 16:37:36 -wikinibot- uses the Internet as its primary medium (but not necessarily its subject, though
May 25 16:37:36 -wikinibot- this is often the case). Artists using this medium are sometimes called
May 25 16:37:37 -wikinibot- 'net.artists'.
May 25 16:37:45 -chevil- W:netart
May 25 16:37:56 -wikinibot- netart
May 25 16:37:57 -wikinibot- 'Internet art' (often called '[[net.art]]') is art or cultural production which
May 25 16:37:57 -wikinibot- uses the Internet as its primary medium (but not necessarily its subject, though
May 25 16:37:57 -wikinibot- this is often the case). Artists using this medium are sometimes called
May 25 16:37:58 -wikinibot- 'net.artists'.
May 25 16:37:59 -wikinibot- In many cases there might be an analogy to video art, which uses video as its
May 25 16:37:59 -wikinibot- medium - but is also very much about video. Many net.artists view video as only
May 25 16:38:00 -wikinibot- a component in a Software Art or meta-artistic system, which is very much
May 25 16:38:01 -wikinibot- "about" code. As such the medium of internet art might be a number of hypertext
May 25 16:38:01 -wikinibot- markup codes.
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May 25 16:40:10 -lena- how does a medium (web) which is shared with other (non artistic) practices redefine art?
May 25 16:40:37 -Z- the word "art" becomes irrelevant
May 25 16:40:53 -luka- do even free encyclopedias have to use words like these?
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May 25 16:41:18 -black- you mean art?
May 25 16:41:30 -lena- or the word art becomes essential!
May 25 16:43:25 -luka- is there a medium which is not saturated with commercial practices?
May 25 16:43:41 -Z- cave painting
May 25 16:43:51 -luka- or is media arts real focus dead media?
May 25 16:43:58 -lena- no caves in brusselss...
May 25 16:44:13 -black- you call it art we call it independence
May 25 16:44:22 -rarita- darko's so right about the amnesia people tend to have in the balkans
May 25 16:44:41 -luka- w:(ascii art)
May 25 16:44:44 -Z- they shouldn't drink so much ;)
May 25 16:44:50 -auriea- why did this amnesia happen?
May 25 16:44:51 -wikinibot- ascii art
May 25 16:44:51 -wikinibot- ascii art :: disambiguate :
May 25 16:44:52 -wikinibot- computer character (computing) ASCII text editor free-form language art typeface#Proportion typeface typewriter Courier (typeface) code page 437 IBM Computer_art_scene American_National_Standards_Institute Terminal_%28font%29 Old_school Amiga teletype computer terminal computer network bulletin board system e-mail Usenet source code International Obfuscated C Code Contest Beck emoticon Emo
May 25 16:45:05 -luka- beck?
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May 25 16:45:47 -lena- zoom on film please
May 25 16:45:50 -rarita- i think is some kind of unconscions mechanism to prtect yourself from a history that is too messy
May 25 16:46:25 -black- denial
May 25 16:46:45 -chevil- cannot zoom with the webcam
May 25 16:46:55 -pueblo- but not having a history at all makes things difficult too
May 25 16:47:27 -lena- title of film?
May 25 16:47:35 -black- that why there are so much revriting history project in east
May 25 16:47:47 -black- what was the name of this man? in film
May 25 16:47:47 -luka- can u try to improve focus on the webcam?
May 25 16:48:03 -pueblo- we should try to do that in latinamerica too
May 25 16:48:28 -black- what randomness or rewriting histories ?
May 25 16:48:39 -pueblo- rewritting histories
May 25 16:48:53 -black- not good idea
May 25 16:49:15 -black- find paralel ones
May 25 16:49:32 -pueblo- I think when we have all very faraway references we have to rewrite the relations
May 25 16:49:41 -pueblo- yes parallel histories help
May 25 16:49:45 -lena- and make shure on does not prevail over the other
May 25 16:49:58 -auriea- question... how does darko see that computer art has evolved in zagreb (or eastern eu) or has the amnesia completely stunted the growth of this type of art?
May 25 16:50:06 -luka- great narrator on that video
May 25 16:51:04 -lena- vladimir bonacic?
May 25 16:51:39 -chevil- w:(vladimir bonacic)
May 25 16:51:42 -wikinibot- vladimir bonacic
May 25 16:51:42 -wikinibot- :: nada :: res de res ::
May 25 16:52:15 -pueblo- darkofritz.net/
May 25 16:52:22 -black- aurelias question is good as there is people like darko and 90s media reberth
May 25 16:52:36 -auriea- what have been the effects of that rewiting or history and amnesia?
May 25 16:52:37 -pueblo- darkofritz.net/
May 25 16:53:29 -lena- food for thought?
May 25 16:53:32 -pueblo- sorry I will have to re-read all your questions I will pose them after the break
May 25 16:53:50 -pueblo- my internet connection has been bouncing all the time, it was difficult to follow this
May 25 16:53:57 -black- mushrooms rocks!
May 25 16:54:05 -pueblo- give me some time I will formulate all this interesting remarks
May 25 16:54:09 -auriea- its okay
May 25 16:54:32 -luka- pueblo get a cable :)
May 25 16:54:47 -luka- and the mushrooms of course
May 25 16:54:58 -black- meanwhile , whats new in slovenia?
May 25 16:55:06 -black- any festivals comming up?
May 25 16:55:11 -rarita- and the garlic, to make spice it regionally
May 25 16:55:17 -pueblo- iLL give you the links that darko gave me first and yes got the cable now darkofritz.net/curator/alive/eng/popis.htm
May 25 16:55:17 -luka- just finished with one
May 25 16:55:35 -pueblo- and then mushrooms
May 25 16:55:41 -black- ups missed that
May 25 16:55:51 -black- what was it and how was it?
May 25 16:56:09 -pueblo- www.culturenet.hr/v1/english/panorama.asp?id=39
May 25 16:56:40 -black- sorry q was for luka
May 25 16:56:41 -luka- mfru, computer art festival
May 25 16:56:45 -lena- chevil - webcam works great, pitty about evil quality, sound is perfect & industrial in molenbeek
May 25 16:57:00 -luka- manu and mukul came (with indigo)
May 25 16:57:35 -black- wow i still have not seen the new geni
May 25 16:57:36 -luka- strangely this year it was split between maribor and ljubljana in the same week
May 25 16:57:51 -black- whats the subject?
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May 25 16:59:41 -luka- seems it has lots of them
May 25 16:59:54 -luka- i was riding my bicycle around maribor as part of an exhibition about networks
May 25 17:00:19 -luka- so missed the weibels show in ljubljana
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May 25 17:02:23 -black- did ambient showed a work or just talked?
May 25 17:02:59 -luka- they put up their harp
May 25 17:03:10 -black- mushrooms over
May 25 17:03:11 -luka- and talked too
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May 25 17:04:47 -pueblo- can you tell me who is watching which stream /quicktime or ogg? we need to improve the streaming situation
May 25 17:04:54 -pueblo- dusan barok speaking now
May 25 17:04:59 -auriea- quicktime is working great here
May 25 17:05:09 -black- watching through browser
May 25 17:05:11 -black- works fine
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May 25 17:05:23 -luka- ogg
May 25 17:05:24 -luka- works well now
May 25 17:06:35 -pueblo- muna, rarita, hik? are you following the stream? (and which one)
May 25 17:06:50 -pueblo- luka, nina sends her regards
May 25 17:07:34 -luka- thanks
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May 25 17:08:39 -auriea- can we see his visuals please
May 25 17:08:55 -lena- w: Józef Jankowicz
May 25 17:08:56 -auriea- thank you
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May 25 17:09:04 -pueblo- thanks lena
May 25 17:09:12 -chevil- with parenthesis please
May 25 17:09:26 -chevil- w:(Józef Jankowicz)
May 25 17:09:29 -wikinibot- Józef Jankowicz
May 25 17:09:30 -wikinibot- :: nada :: res de res ::
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May 25 17:10:37 -lena- From WikipediaSkocz do: navigation, szukajJózef Kaczanowski (5 października 1914 - 28 kwietnia 2004), uczestnik obrony Westerplatte.Służył na Westerplatte od 7 sierpnia 1939 jako strzelec, podczas walk wrześniowych w wartowni nr 5. Po kapitulacji w stalagu, skąd zbiegł; zatrzymany przez graniczny patrol radziecki, został wywieziony do Archangielska (Syberia) i pracował przy wyrębie lasu. Zgłosił się następnie do armii pols
May 25 17:11:01 -black- hmm
May 25 17:11:26 -black- bot translator?
May 25 17:11:38 -lena- no -wrong guy, never trust handwork
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May 25 17:11:53 -lena- bot is more trustworthy
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May 25 17:12:11 -luka- some soldier
May 25 17:14:01 -black- where was this show he is atlking about?
May 25 17:14:09 -xgz- he is talking about a performance by kaffe mathews, jon rose etc in south slovakia
May 25 17:14:25 -black- when?
May 25 17:14:40 -xgz- and then they came to a village called violin and they made a broken violin museum there
May 25 17:14:50 -xgz- 8 years ago or so
May 25 17:15:07 -xgz- did you see the piramid upside down? that is the national radio in bratislava
May 25 17:15:54 -luka- www.isternet.sk/sgbb/a16o2.htm Pochod zelených, 1987, sieťotlač, 56 x 80 cm
May 25 17:15:55 -luka- The March Of The Green, 1987, screenprint, 58 x 80 cm
May 25 17:16:08 -xgz- museum of signature (potpis in slovak hihi)
May 25 17:16:53 -black- wow and who paid for that?
May 25 17:17:22 -xgz- maffia and eu, nice collaboration
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May 25 17:18:12 -xgz- jr you are just in time for the digital art voerview
May 25 17:18:22 -xgz- overview I mean
May 25 17:18:35 -junior_isjtar- cool, hope audio will last
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May 25 17:19:20 -okno-044- hello all
May 25 17:19:28 -auriea- hi
May 25 17:19:31 -junior_isjtar- hi, who are you?
May 25 17:19:31 -black- hello
May 25 17:19:34 -xgz- who are you okno 44?
May 25 17:19:39 -okno-044- chris
May 25 17:19:48 -okno-044- can't see the stream!
May 25 17:20:03 -chevil- /nick chris
May 25 17:20:09 -okno-044- i'll change my nick
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May 25 17:20:21 -junior_isjtar- qt is fine here, with aesthetics of error : )
May 25 17:20:24 -chevil- which stream?
May 25 17:20:42 -chris- okno.be/live
May 25 17:20:55 -chris- using firefox
May 25 17:21:07 -xgz- hurray, music by poo!!!
May 25 17:21:09 -chevil- on windows?
May 25 17:21:15 -xgz- no on cd
May 25 17:21:25 -chris- no, on mac
May 25 17:21:58 -xgz- this is a pict of petrzalka, a large area in the southern part of bratislava
May 25 17:22:05 -luka- try safari maybe? the quicktime stream should work there
May 25 17:22:22 -junior_isjtar- yes, you told me about a 3D sim of that no?
May 25 17:22:45 -xgz- poo playing now, they also played in DEAF rotterdam last year
May 25 17:23:33 -chris- doesn't work in safari either
May 25 17:23:57 -pueblo- open it with quicktime player?
May 25 17:24:19 -pueblo- qt.okno.be:8000/okno.sdp
May 25 17:24:56 -xgz- multiplace festival this year, talking about buryzone a young artist initiative started around 2000
May 25 17:25:22 -junior_isjtar- poo is nice this way
May 25 17:25:35 -xgz- buryzone became burundi 3 years ago and had a space in A4 the centre of the city
May 25 17:26:04 -xgz- most of media events were organised and are still done at A4
May 25 17:26:11 -junior_isjtar- didn't catch the ngo part...
May 25 17:26:30 -xgz- multiplace is a collective of several art organisations
May 25 17:26:40 -xgz- actually a yearly festival
May 25 17:27:14 -xgz- angakku playing now
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May 25 17:27:27 -pueblo- if you have any questions for dusan we can ask them now
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May 25 17:27:49 -xgz- hihi cuco! dusan is presenting, you are just in time
May 25 17:27:50 -rarita- yes, and i hink a4 is the space that gets together the 4 ngo's [the place where things happen in bratislava]
May 25 17:28:12 -cuco- yuh just randomly i clicked the link in mail
May 25 17:28:20 -cuco- didn't know what's going on at all
May 25 17:28:46 -black- is A4 a media art center sort of thing or justbuilding with some diferent initiatives?
May 25 17:28:47 -xgz- correx: angakkut
May 25 17:29:07 -chris- doesn't work in qt player either :(
May 25 17:29:11 -xgz- A4 is the name of the organisation and the building is a dom kultury just in the center
May 25 17:29:25 -pueblo- try the ogg stream
May 25 17:29:36 -chevil- ogg stream : www.hackitectura.net:8000/public.ogg
May 25 17:29:48 -chevil- read it with vlc : www.videolan.org
May 25 17:29:57 -xgz- but now burundi moved outso tehre are 3 organisations left and the future of staying there is always very insecure, but cuco knows more from that
May 25 17:30:02 -chris- ogg streaming doesn't work on mac os x :(
May 25 17:30:12 -cuco- not this video :O
May 25 17:30:15 -lena- what are according to dusan the 'specific complexities of media art in the region?'
May 25 17:30:15 -junior_isjtar- yes it does
May 25 17:30:15 -chevil- of course it does
May 25 17:30:18 -cuco- ugh
May 25 17:30:21 -luka- it does just get vlc
May 25 17:30:32 -chris- i'll try vlc
May 25 17:30:48 -xgz- well I think dusan is a fan of them, no?
May 25 17:31:00 -cuco- uh

May 25 17:31:05 -pueblo- thanks lena I'll ask when he is finished
May 25 17:31:09 -cuco- funny home videos fan?
May 25 17:31:11 -junior_isjtar- could you tomorrow set up a dedicated audio stream, maybe that would come through in one piece, no?
May 25 17:31:57 -xgz- will ask hik, more people asked this already
May 25 17:32:13 -chevil- junior the stream is stable now
May 25 17:32:15 -chevil- no pb
May 25 17:32:23 -chevil- it was not before
May 25 17:32:27 -junior_isjtar- qt?
May 25 17:32:29 -chris- at last!!! :))
May 25 17:32:38 -chris- ogg via vlc
May 25 17:32:39 -pueblo- lena you want to be more specific?
May 25 17:32:45 -chris- it works
May 25 17:32:55 -junior_isjtar- ok
May 25 17:33:00 -junior_isjtar- ok
May 25 17:33:32 -pueblo- lena this is for you
May 25 17:33:41 -black- does slovakia has media art support systems?
May 25 17:33:49 -lena- no, was just wondering about the concept of today; how do guests relate to the idea of regional specficity in globally evolving times ... damn my stream left my
May 25 17:34:21 -black- where are they coming form then?
May 25 17:35:06 -xgz- russia, poland, slovakia, croatia, hungary, belgium
May 25 17:35:34 -pueblo- black... to your last question
May 25 17:35:35 -junior_isjtar- nowhere near stable here...
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May 25 17:35:44 -black- no mean the if they dont come from art schools
May 25 17:35:56 -pueblo- lena I will ask this more general question in the discussion
May 25 17:38:05 -xgz- now peter beyls from belgium
May 25 17:38:31 -xgz- about edward ihnatowicz
May 25 17:38:42 -pueblo- www.okno.be/?id=772
May 25 17:39:07 -pueblo- edward inhatowicz from Poland
May 25 17:40:03 -luka- hehe popular science rocks :)
May 25 17:40:50 -black- show us picture!
May 25 17:41:02 -black- thanx
May 25 17:42:29 -pueblo- w:functionalism
May 25 17:42:47 -wikinibot- functionalism
May 25 17:42:47 -wikinibot- 'Functionalism' is a term with several senses:
May 25 17:42:48 -wikinibot- * For functionalism in sociology, see Functionalism (sociology).
May 25 17:43:07 -chevil- W:functionalism
May 25 17:43:10 -wikinibot- functionalism
May 25 17:43:10 -wikinibot- 'Functionalism' is a term with several senses:
May 25 17:43:10 -wikinibot- * For functionalism in sociology, see Functionalism (sociology).
May 25 17:43:11 -wikinibot- * For structural-functionalism in anthropology, see structural functionalism
May 25 17:43:11 -wikinibot- * For functionalism in the philosophy of mind, see Functionalism (philosophy of
May 25 17:43:12 -wikinibot- mind)
May 25 17:43:13 -wikinibot- * For functionalism in architecture, see Functionalism (architecture).
May 25 17:43:13 -wikinibot- * For functionalism in linguistics, see Functional grammar
May 25 17:43:14 -wikinibot- * For functionalism in political science, see Functionalism in international
May 25 17:43:15 -wikinibot- relations
May 25 17:43:15 -wikinibot- * For functionalism in psychology and cognitive science, see Functionalism
May 25 17:43:17 -wikinibot- (psychology)
May 25 17:43:17 -wikinibot- * For Functionalism in Holocaust History, see Functionalism versus
May 25 17:43:19 -wikinibot- Intentionalism
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May 25 17:44:54 -chevil- w:(Functionalism architecture)
May 25 17:44:57 -wikinibot- Functionalism architecture
May 25 17:44:57 -wikinibot- :: nada :: res de res ::
May 25 17:45:03 -pueblo- w:autonomy
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May 25 17:45:05 -wikinibot- autonomy
May 25 17:45:07 -wikinibot- 'Autonomy' (Greek: Auto-Nomos - nomos meaning "law": one who gives oneself his
May 25 17:45:07 -wikinibot- own law) means freedom from external authority. It can be used various ways:
May 25 17:45:08 -wikinibot- *Autonomous entity, in politics, a sub-national entity *Autonomy (Eastern
May 25 17:45:09 -wikinibot- Christianity), the status of a hierarchical church; the status is one step short
May 25 17:45:09 -wikinibot- of autocephaly *In computing, an autonomous peripheral is one that can be used
May 25 17:45:11 -wikinibot- with the computer turned off *Autonomy Corporation, an enterprise software
May 25 17:45:11 -wikinibot- company *Within self-determination theory in psychology, autonomy refers to
May 25 17:45:13 -wikinibot- 'autonomy support versus control', "hypothesizing that autonomy-supportive
May 25 17:45:13 -wikinibot- social contexts tend to facilitate self-determined motivation, healthy
May 25 17:45:15 -wikinibot- development, and optimal functioning." *Autonomy is a concept found in moral,
May 25 17:45:15 -wikinibot- political, and bioethical philosophy. Within these contexts it refers to the
May 25 17:45:17 -wikinibot- capacity of a rational individual to make an informed, uncoerced decision. In
May 25 17:45:17 -wikinibot- moral and political philosophy, autonomy is often used as the basis for
May 25 17:45:19 -wikinibot- determining moral responsibility for one's actions. One of best known
May 25 17:45:19 -wikinibot- philosophical theories of autonomy was developed by Kant. In medicine, respect
May 25 17:45:21 -wikinibot- for the autonomy of patients is considered obligatory for doctors and other health-
May 25 17:45:21 -wikinibot- care professionals. *Learner autonomy, in education, an individual awareness of
May 25 17:45:23 -wikinibot- one's potentials and strategies to take better advantage of one's learning
May 25 17:45:23 -wikinibot- context *In mathematical analysis, an autonomous ordinary differential equation
May 25 17:45:25 -wikinibot- is one that is time-independent. *In linguistics, an autonomous language is one
May 25 17:45:25 -wikinibot- which is independent of other languages, for example has a standard, grammar
May 25 17:45:27 -wikinibot- books, dictionaries, literature etc.
May 25 17:48:26 -luka- cutoff again
May 25 17:48:44 -pueblo- w:robotics
May 25 17:48:55 -black- sound gone
May 25 17:48:59 -wikinibot- robotics
May 25 17:49:00 -wikinibot- :This article refers to a machine. For other uses of the term "robot" see:
May 25 17:49:00 -wikinibot- [[Robot (disambiguation)]] , a humanoid robot manufactured by Honda.]] A 'robot'
May 25 17:49:01 -wikinibot- is a mechanical device that can perform preprogrammed physical tasks. A robot
May 25 17:49:01 -wikinibot- may act under the direct control of a human (eg. the robotic arm of the space
May 25 17:49:02 -wikinibot- shuttle) or autonomously under the control of a pre-programmed computer. Robots
May 25 17:49:02 -wikinibot- may be used to perform tasks that are too dangerous or difficult for humans to
May 25 17:49:03 -wikinibot- implement directly (e.g. the space shuttle arm) or may be used to automate
May 25 17:49:03 -wikinibot- repetitive tasks that can be performed more cheaply by a robot than by the
May 25 17:49:05 -wikinibot- employment of a human (e.g. automobile production).
May 25 17:49:24 -chevil- no cut seen here
May 25 17:50:11 -pueblo- black: still no sound?
May 25 17:50:13 -luka- its back
May 25 17:50:36 -black- back now thanx
May 25 17:51:27 -pueblo- w:(physical computing)
May 25 17:51:29 -wikinibot- physical computing
May 25 17:51:30 -wikinibot- 'Physical computing', in the broadest sense, means building interactive physical
May 25 17:51:31 -wikinibot- systems by the use of software and hardware that can sense and respond to the
May 25 17:51:31 -wikinibot- analog world.
May 25 17:52:20 -pueblo- w:embodiment
May 25 17:52:24 -wikinibot- embodiment
May 25 17:52:24 -wikinibot- 'Embodiment' is the way in which human (or any other animal's) psychology arises
May 25 17:52:25 -wikinibot- from the brain's and body's physiology. It is specifically concerned with the
May 25 17:52:25 -wikinibot- way the adaptive function of categorisation works, and how things acquire names.
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May 25 17:56:06 -luka- w:(subsumption architecture)
May 25 17:56:09 -wikinibot- subsumption architecture
May 25 17:56:10 -wikinibot- 'Subsumption architecture' is an AI concept originating from behavior based
May 25 17:56:10 -wikinibot- robotics. This term was invented by Rodney Brooks and colleagues in the mid to
May 25 17:56:11 -wikinibot- late 1980s.
May 25 17:57:40 -chevil- with W: you have the long definition
May 25 17:57:41 -luka- is sometimes randomness almost enough for creativity?
May 25 17:57:56 -luka- W:(subsumption architecture)
May 25 17:58:00 -wikinibot- subsumption architecture
May 25 17:58:00 -wikinibot- 'Subsumption architecture' is an AI concept originating from behavior based
May 25 17:58:00 -wikinibot- robotics. This term was invented by Rodney Brooks and colleagues in the mid to
May 25 17:58:01 -wikinibot- late 1980s.
May 25 17:58:02 -wikinibot- A subsumption architecture is a way of decomposing one complex behaviour into
May 25 17:58:02 -wikinibot- many "simple" layers of increasing more abstract behaviours. Each layer can use
May 25 17:58:03 -wikinibot- (subsume) the underlaying layer, e.g. the decision to move forward by the eat-
May 25 17:58:03 -wikinibot- food layer takes in account the decision of the lowest obstacle-avoidance layer.
May 25 17:58:05 -wikinibot- For example, a robot's lowest layer could be "avoid an object", on top of it
May 25 17:58:05 -wikinibot- would be the layer "wander around", which in turn lies under "explore the
May 25 17:58:07 -wikinibot- world". The top layer in such a case could be "create a map", which is the
May 25 17:58:07 -wikinibot- ultimate goal. Each of these horizontal layers accesses all of the sensor data
May 25 17:58:09 -wikinibot- and generates actions for the actuators — the main caveat is that separate
May 25 17:58:09 -wikinibot- tasks can inhibit inputs or overrule outputs. This way, the lowest layers can
May 25 17:58:11 -wikinibot- work like fast-adapting mechanisms (reflexes), while the higher layers control
May 25 17:58:11 -wikinibot- the main direction to be taken in order to achieve the overall goal. Feedback is
May 25 17:58:13 -wikinibot- given mainly through the environment.
May 25 17:58:15 -wikinibot- Two main disadvantage of this model are the inability to modularise the system
May 25 17:58:15 -wikinibot- and the rather low flexibility at runtime.
May 25 17:58:17 -wikinibot- This AI model was invented by Alexandre Parodi, and was first used in a real
May 25 17:58:19 -wikinibot- robot as part of the FMC/CEL (now United Defense) AVTB/AGVT program in 1984. All
May 25 17:58:19 -wikinibot- this research is described in a series of academic papers, many written with
May 25 17:58:21 -wikinibot- students and collaborators such as Pattie Maes and Anita M. Flynn. Key amongst
May 25 17:58:21 -wikinibot- these are, arguably:
May 25 17:58:23 -wikinibot- * J. J. Nitao and A. M. Parodi (1986) "A Real-Time Reflexive Pilot for an
May 25 17:58:23 -wikinibot- Autonomous Land Vehicle", IEEE Control Systems, vol. 6, no. 1, February, pp.14-
May 25 17:58:25 -wikinibot- 23.
May 25 17:58:25 -wikinibot- * R. A. Brooks (1986) "A Robust Layered Control System For A Mobile Robot", IEEE
May 25 17:58:28 -wikinibot- Journal Of Robotics And Automation, RA-2, April. pp. 14-23.
May 25 17:58:28 -wikinibot- * R. A. Brooks (1987). "Planning is just a way of avoiding figuring out what to
May 25 17:58:29 -wikinibot- do next", Technical report, MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory.
May 25 17:58:29 -wikinibot- * R. Brooks and A. Flynn (1989), "Fast, cheap, and out of control: A robot
May 25 17:58:31 -wikinibot- invasion of the solar system," J. Brit. Interplanetary Soc., vol. 42, no. 10,
May 25 17:58:31 -wikinibot- pp. 478-485, 1989. (The paper later gave rise to the title of the film Fast,
May 25 17:58:33 -wikinibot- Cheap and Out of Control, and the paper's concepts arguably have been seen in
May 25 17:58:33 -wikinibot- practice in the 2003/4 Mars Exploration Rover Mission.)
May 25 17:58:38 -pueblo- in what context do you ask this luka? about randomness?
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May 25 17:59:48 -luka- about machines with unpredicted actions
May 25 18:00:04 -luka- and notion of creativity
May 25 18:00:24 -luka- connected to intelligence
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May 25 18:03:05 -luka- pueblo: does this answer you?
May 25 18:03:25 -pueblo- yes luka I want to ask this to peter
May 25 18:05:43 -pueblo- are you following his answer luka?
May 25 18:05:56 -luka- yes
May 25 18:06:41 -luka- thanks
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May 25 18:08:45 -pueblo- now Erika Pasztor begins her presentation
May 25 18:08:48 -pueblo- www.okno.be/?id=770
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May 25 18:12:18 -xgz- back again
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May 25 18:12:22 -pueblo- good
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May 25 18:14:48 -xgz- everyone can follow?
May 25 18:15:58 -rarita- i can't
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May 25 18:16:22 -chevil- what system? what did you try?
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May 25 18:16:32 -chevil- what system? what did you try?
May 25 18:17:26 -rarita- i've refrshed it and it works now (quicktime)
May 25 18:19:29 -jaume_- ola
May 25 18:19:38 -pueblo- hi jaume
May 25 18:19:46 -chevil- wake up now?
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May 25 18:20:12 -chevil- ogg stream : www.hackitectura.net:8000/public.ogg
May 25 18:21:15 -jaume_- arribing from f**institut
May 25 18:22:16 -jaume_- getting stream...
May 25 18:23:05 -rarita- this is a valid point, although R&D in a country such as romania is even less present than media arts
May 25 18:23:22 -chevil- enjoy, it's about media art production in romania
May 25 18:23:39 -pueblo- do you have any questions for erika?
May 25 18:23:58 -lena- how can alternative circuits benefit from r+d aimed to stimulate economy?
May 25 18:24:15 -pueblo- thnks lena
May 25 18:25:23 -chevil- of course lots of people work with max, maybe we should speak of open source?
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May 25 18:26:05 -chevil- and creative commons?
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May 25 18:27:48 -luka- and lowtech
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May 25 18:29:06 -pueblo- rarita and lena can you tell me where you are located again?
May 25 18:29:17 -lena- brux
May 25 18:29:23 -rarita- cluj/romania
May 25 18:29:38 -pueblo- thnaks
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May 25 18:32:27 -lena- Erika says: when you live in a globalised world and you are independent from money flows - it is difficult to get fundingfor projects etc.Is / can cultural innovation not be seen as an important factor in techno -industrial development? How is this seen by funding institutions / companies: -- are there financial connections between art /independent developments and mainstream economy?
May 25 18:33:36 -pueblo- good that expand on this lena, I will ask erika at the end of her presentation
May 25 18:33:51 -rarita- i think the issues is not if there are links, as they are, but are the ones dealing with the mainstram economy (and thus with the money) have the visoon to understand this?
May 25 18:34:56 -black- well i guess this is were histories can help and contexts ect, but yes thats where its also brings in existing art support systems , specialy in east block
May 25 18:35:43 -black- or is it science r&b suport
May 25 18:36:32 -luka- the wild east capitalism seems to have very little appreciation for research
May 25 18:36:47 -rarita- exactly
May 25 18:36:49 -luka- and even less for technological art
May 25 18:37:21 -rarita- and they don't need to invest in research that much when they can bring in expired technology from west
May 25 18:37:26 -luka- maybe because both are 'geeky'?
May 25 18:38:18 -rarita- and they don't need to have, since they can profit enough from bringing in the technologies that got out of fashion in west
May 25 18:38:46 -xgz- yes interesting is that the the state does not seem to add cultural funding to its priorities of development, and companies are the real powers behind decisions but not interested at all in social and cultural funding
May 25 18:39:01 -black- in uk curently the media art is closely linked with social engeniering and regenration projects, i know that for east to addoped this is long way in future but may be even lucky to escape this merger
May 25 18:39:11 -chevil- w:tonotopic
May 25 18:39:15 -wikinibot- tonotopic
May 25 18:39:15 -wikinibot- 'Tonotopy' (from Greek tono- and topos = place: the place of tones) is the
May 25 18:39:16 -wikinibot- spatial arrangement of where sound is perceived, transmitted, or received. It
May 25 18:39:16 -wikinibot- refers to the fact that tones close to each other in terms of frequency are
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